The 501-c-3 Church AKA Tax Exemption. Shekels come Shackles QUOTES and PROOFS it is NOT of GODsteemCreated with Sketch.

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The #501-c-3 Church Subsidy AKA Tax Exemption. Come Shekels come Shackles
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“A more certain way to attack religion is by favor, by the comforts of life, by the hope of wealth; not by what reminds one of it, but by what makes one forget it; not by what makes one indignant, but by what makes men lukewarm, when other passions act on our souls, and those which religion inspires are silent. In the matter of changing religion, State favors are stronger than penalties.”
The Spirit of the Laws, Baron de Montesquieu (1748)

When a church is a #501-c-3 Entity, Or Corporation it is doubly cursed:
Even WIKI figured this out:
Please note: A creature of statute (also known as creature of the state) is a legal entity, such as a corporation, created by statute. Creatures of statute may include municipalities and other artificial legal entities or relationships.[1] Thus, when a statute in some fashion requires the formation of a corporate body—often for governmental purposes—such bodies when formed are known as "creatures of statute." The same concept is also expressed with the phrase "creature of the state."[1]
The importance of a corporate body, regardless of its exact function, when such a body is a creature of statute is that its active functions can only be within the scope detailed by the statute which created that corporation. Thereby, the creature of statute is the tangible manifestation of the functions or work described by a given statute. The jurisdiction of a body that is a creature of statute is also therefore limited to the functional scope written into the laws that created that body. Unlike most (private) corporate bodies, creatures of statute cannot expand their business interests into other diverse areas.

Way back in 1819 in Trustees of Dartmouth College v. Woodward, 17 U.S. 518, 636 Chief Justice Marshall writing for the Court explained that a corporation, as a “mere creature of law . . possesses only those properties which the charter confers upon it. . . .”

and then again in 1987 in CTS Corp. v. Dynamics Corp. of Am., 481 U.S. 69, 89-91 (1987)
"Corporations remain creatures of statute, subject to various government compliance requirements."

Is your #Church INCORPORATED?

If so in a strict sense it is a creature of the State ( statute) it's existence is not under the ultimate authority of #Jesus Christ and the Bible, it is the statues of the state that it was created in and where it ASKED FOR PERMISSION to exist in.

THE IRS SAYS that in addition to a Corporation being a creature of the state, if it is also a 501-c-3 TAX EXEMPT organization ( IE your Church) https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/exemption-requirements-section-501c3-organizations

"To be tax-exempt under section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code, an organization must be organized and operated exclusively for exempt purposes set forth in section 501(c)(3), and none of its earnings may inure to any private shareholder or individual. In addition, it may not be an action organization, i.e., it may not attempt to influence legislation as a substantial part of its activities and it may not participate in any campaign activity for or against political candidates.

Organizations described in section 501(c)(3) are commonly referred to as charitable organizations. Organizations described in section 501(c)(3), other than testing for public safety organizations, are eligible to receive tax-deductible contributions in accordance with Code section 170.

The organization must not be organized or operated for the benefit of private interests, and no part of a section 501(c)(3) organization's net earnings may inure to the benefit of any private shareholder or individual. If the organization engages in an excess benefit transaction with a person having substantial influence over the organization, an excise tax may be imposed on the person and any organization managers agreeing to the transaction.

Section 501(c)(3) organizations are restricted in how much political and legislative (lobbying) activities they may conduct.

In other words the FINAL Authority is the one who can RESTRICT.....

Is your Church both INCORPORATED as well as 501-c-3 Registered and or Compliant?

Who is her LORD?

Johnson vs. Goodyear, 127 Cal.4 (1899): 'A corporation, being an artificial person, only has rights within the meaning of the due process and equal protection clauses of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution and similar provisions of State constitutions and within the meaning of state statutes.'"

ALL Corporations are CREATURES of the state, some are for profit, some municipal and some NOT for profit, but they are all corporations created by the STATE Through Application and statute:

“The great corporations which we have grown to speak of rather loosely as trusts are the creatures of the State, and the State not only has the right to control them, but it is duty bound to control them wherever the need of such control is shown.”
― Theodore Roosevelt

No 5th Amendment Rights for persons in reference to the Corporations they control or are a part of:
"The benefits of the Fifth Amendment are exclusively for a witness compelled to testify against himself in a criminal case, and he cannot set them up on behalf of any other person or individual, or of a corporation of which he is an officer or employee." Hale v Henkel

While an individual may lawfully refuse to answer incriminating questions unless protected by an immunity statute, a corporation is a creature of the State, and there is a reserved right in the legislature to investigate its contracts and find out whether it has exceeded its powers.

There is a clear distinction between an individual and a corporation, and the latter, being a creature of the State, has not the constitutional right to refuse to submit its books and papers for an examination at the suit of the State; and an officer of a corporation which is charged with criminal violation of a statute cannot plead the criminality of the corporation as a refusal to produce its books.

Franchises of a corporation chartered by a State are, so far as they involve questions of interstate commerce, exercised in subordination to the power of Congress to regulate such commerce; and while Congress may not have general visitatorial power over State corporations, its powers in vindication of its own laws are the same as if the corporation had been created by an act of Congress. (Hale v Henkel)
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/201/43/case.html

Is your pastor a PASTOR or a Corporate Officer with the added title of pastor? What about the deacons?

hey Just Asking,,,

Looking Deeper in to the Hale V HENKEL Case we see the following in Context: Referencing 10 Pick. 9; United States Express Co. v. Henderson, 69 Iowa 40; Greenleaf on Evidence 469a.
"we are of the opinion that there is a clear distinction in this particular between an individual and a corporation, and that the latter has no right to refuse to submit its books and papers for an examination at the suit of the State. The individual may stand upon his constitutional rights as a citizen. He is entitled to carry on his private business in his own way. His power to contract is unlimited. He owes no duty to the State or to his neighbors to divulge his business, or to open his doors to an investigation, so far as it may tend to incriminate him. He owes no such duty to the State, since he receives nothing therefrom beyond the protection of his life and property. His rights are such as existed by the law of the land long antecedent to the organization of the State, and can only be taken from him by due process of law, and in accordance with the Constitution. Among his rights are a refusal to incriminate himself and the immunity of himself and his property from arrest or seizure except under a warrant of the law. He owes nothing to the public so long as he does not trespass upon their rights.

Upon the other hand, the corporation is a creature of the State. It is presumed to be incorporated for the benefit of the public. It receives certain special privileges and franchises, and holds them subject to the laws of the State and the limitations of its charter. Its powers are limited by law. It can make no contract not authorized by its charter. Its rights to

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act as a corporation are only preserved to it so long as it obeys the laws of its creation. There is a reserved right in the legislature to investigate its contracts and find out whether it has exceeded its powers. It would be a strange anomaly to hold that a State, having chartered a corporation to make use of certain franchises, could not, in the exercise of its sovereignty, inquire how these franchises had been employed, and whether they had been abused, and demand the production of the corporate books and papers for that purpose. The defense amounts to this: that an officer of a corporation which is charged with a criminal violation of the statute may plead the criminality of such corporation as a refusal to produce its books. To state this proposition is to answer it. While an individual may lawfully refuse to answer incriminating questions unless protected by an immunity statute, it does not follow that a corporation, vested with special privileges and franchises, may refuse to show its hand when charged with an abuse of such privileges.

So the Corporate officer of your Church, Who is his Lord and Sovereign?

Hey the Articles of Incorporation say it is the STATE.. Just sayin..
The Christian law Association Advises that
At a Minimum, the Corporation should be organized as a church for Religious, Charitable, and educational purposes WITHIN the meaning of section 501-c-3 of the internal revenue code of 1986 ( Page 8 CLA Twelve month ministry audit of finances workbook)

I Thought a Church was organized to Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. Matthew 28:19-20

hmm... What if one of those things is to tell the congregation that a particular person running for office was an adulterer, whore monger,LIAR, Supporter of Abortion and to vote for him would make you not right with GOD?
because you would be bidding him GOD SPEED and Supporting him or her when GOD was against them?

Oh never Mind.. you signed the papers and promised not to promote or preach against a particular candidate for office...

Just sayin..

some would then misrepresent "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's. " Matthew 22:21
Questions:
Does a church of the Lord Jesus Christ belong to or originate with Jesus Or with Caesar?
Is the office of PASTOR or BISHOP or Deacon a designation of Scripture or Statute?
Who is your Final Authority if not your Creator? Who Creates corporations? Who Defines a 501-c-3?
Under whose jurisdictional sovereignty are creatures of the State? ( see above)

hey there Just questions....

So Who is your KING.. Answer: That all depends on who your rendering to .....

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Many good points made here. However , should the church gratuitously pick a fight with the state? The state is there....as it was in Christ’s time: “Render unto Caesar....”. Should the Church ignore the state completely?
The members are the Church are going to be taxed.....in some jurisdictions over 60% of their income. Tax deductibility allows one to give more in support of the Church’s work...which should be a good thing....no?
The state is too big and too powerful....as was the case with Rome. Finding a balance which allows effective function of the church without surrendering on issues of moral import is difficult.

I understand you point however the principle outweighs individual points. Stateism is an absolute surrender even if the state is benevolent. They reserve the right not to be so, while the church ,though at a form of liberty has surrendered the right to be so. Authority is the issue. Rendering to Caesar that which belongs to God exclusively is a form of theft. Is the Church Free? If so it can not be a tax collector for the state,( publican) which it will become as an employer. When Peter was asked if his master paid tribute this response was in error and Jesus corrected him, nevertheless he was told to pay because he had said he would, ( let your yeh be yeah,.. he that swareth yo his own hurt...and answering a matter before he heard it, all come to into play.) But notice that Peter was told to put a hook with no bait into the water and take money from the fishes mouth to pay, so as to not look like a liar. The money dd not come from Peter Jesus or even Judas who heald the purse. The church is not an exempt organization it is an exception to taxes being f an entirely different jurisdiction.
TO RENDER,therefore to Caesar is to Rob from God.
The Jews of Jesus day essentially had the same fear of conflict and of loosing money and standing and took the 501 c 3 position and declared , We have no King but Caesar..
I would personally perfer to loose the deduction than compromise the Church....

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