Hey christians! You may give me all your money

in #christianity8 years ago

In case here happens to be any christians who consider themselves as true believers, I have a proposal to make.

If you have ever read the gospels from the Bible, you may have noticed that Jesus is very much against being rich and owning money.

The message is very clear, it's repeated many times in the gospels:

Stop storing up treasures for yourselves on earth, where moths and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal. But keep on storing up treasures for yourselves in heaven, where moths and rust do not destroy and where thieves do not break in and steal, because where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. (Matt 6:19-21)
No one can serve two masters, because either he will hate one and love the other, or be loyal to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and riches! (Matt 6:24)
Just then a man came up to Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what good deed should I do to have eternal life?”

Jesus asked him, “Why ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you want to get into that life, you must keep the commandments.”

The young man asked him, “Which ones?”

Jesus said, “‘You must not murder, you must not commit adultery, you must not steal, you must not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,’ and, ‘you must love your neighbor as yourself.’”

The young man told him, “I have kept all of these. What do I still lack?”

Jesus told him, “If you want to be perfect, go and sell what you own and give the money to the destitute, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come back and follow me.” But when the young man heard this statement he went away sad, because he had many possessions.

Then Jesus told his disciples, “I tell all of you with certainty, it will be hard for a rich person to get into the kingdom from heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to squeeze through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to get into the kingdom of God.” (Matt 19:16-24)
“Look!” Peter replied. “We have left everything and followed you. So what will we get?”

Jesus told them, “I tell all of you with certainty, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne in the renewed creation, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, governing the twelve tribes of Israel. In fact, everyone who has left his homes, brothers, sisters, father, mother, children, or fields because of my name will receive a hundred times as muchand will inherit eternal life. But many who are first will be last, and the last will be first.” (Matt 19:27-30)
As Jesus was setting out again, a man ran up to him, knelt down in front of him, and asked him, “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

“Why do you call me good?” Jesus asked him. “Nobody is good except for one—God. You know the commandments: ‘Never murder.’ ‘Never commit adultery.’ ‘Never steal.’ ‘Never give false testimony.’ ‘Never cheat.’ ‘Honor your father and mother.’”

The man replied to him, “Teacher, I have obeyed all of these since I was a young man.”

Jesus looked at him and loved him. Then he told him, “You’re missing one thing. Go and sell everything you own, give the money to the destitute, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come back and follow me.” Shocked at this statement, the man went away sad, because he had many possessions.

Then Jesus looked around and told his disciples, “How hard it will be for those who are wealthy to enter the kingdom of God!” The disciples were startled by these words, but Jesus told them again, “Children, how hard it is for those who trust in their wealth to get into the kingdom of God! It’s easier for a camel to squeeze through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to get into the kingdom of God.” (Mark 10:17-25)
Then Peter began to say to him, “See, we have left everything and followed you.” Jesus said, “I tell all of you with certainty, there is no one who has left his home, brothers, sisters, mother, father, children, or fields because of me and the gospel who will not receive a hundred times as much here in this world—homes, brothers, sisters, mothers, children, and fields, along with persecution—as well as eternal life in the age to come. But many who are first will be last, and the last will be first.” (Mark 10:28-31)
He filled hungry people with good things and sent rich people away with nothing. (Luke 1:53)
But how terrible it will be for you who are rich, because you have had your comfort!
How terrible it will be for you who are full now, because you will be hungry!
How terrible it will be for you who are laughing now, because you will mourn and cry! (Luke 6:24-25)
Then he told them, “Be careful to guard yourselves against every kind of greed, because a person’s life doesn’t consist of the amount of possessions he has.”

Then he told them a parable. He said, “The land of a certain rich man produced good crops. So he began to think to himself, ‘What should I do, since I have no place to store my crops?’ Then he said, ‘This is what I’ll do. I’ll tear down my barns and build bigger ones, and I’ll store all my grain and goods in them. Then I’ll say to myself, “You’ve stored up plenty of good things for many years. Take it easy, eat, drink, and enjoy yourself.”’ But God told him, ‘You fool! This very night your life will be demanded back from you. Now who will get the things you’ve accumulated?’ That’s how it is with the person who stores up treasures for himself rather than with God.” (Luke 12:15-21)
In the same way, none of you can be my disciple unless he gives up all his possessions. (Luke 14:33)
No servant can serve two masters, because either he will hate one and love the other, or be loyal to one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and wealth! (Luke 16:13)
Then an official asked Jesus, “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

“Why do you call me good?” Jesus asked him. “Nobody is good except for one—God. You know the commandments: ‘Never commit adultery. Never murder. Never steal. Never give false testimony. Honor your father and mother.’”

The official replied, “I have kept all of these since I was a young man.”

When Jesus heard this, he told him, “You still need to do one thing. Sell everything you have and give the money to the destitute, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come back and follow me.” But when the official heard this he became sad, because he was very rich.

So when Jesus saw how sad he was, he said, “How hard it is for rich people to get into the kingdom of God! Indeed, it’s easier for a camel to squeeze through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to get into the kingdom of God.” (Luke 18:18-24)
Then Peter said, “See, we have left everything we have and followed you.”

Jesus told them, “I tell all of you with certainty, there is no one who has left his home, wife, brothers, parents, or children because of the kingdom of God who will not receive many times as much in this world, as well as eternal life in the age to come.” (Luke 18:28-30)

If you are a true believer, but for some unfortunate reason have acquired a lot of money, you should give it to me. There are several good reasons for this:

  • God will take you into Heaven. If you have too much money, you can't go there.
  • When you are in Heaven, you will get back hundred times as much as you gave me. Pretty sweet deal?
  • I'm currently unemployed, so some extra money would be nice.
  • My access to Heaven is permanently denied. So I think it would be fair if I could at least enjoy my life here on earth. That is much easier when I have more money than I do have now.
  • I don't use money for destructive stuff that creates pain and misery for myself or other people. First I'll use the money to improve my quality of life, and when that is secured, I probably invest the rest for ethical businesses and/or donate it.
  • No uplimits! All of you can give me as much money as you can. Some people shouldn't have much money in their hands, but I'm not that kind of person. I'm quite sure I can handle huge sums of money and not get corrupted by it or go crazy.

It's probably a good idea to give me your money even if you are poor yourself:

As Jesus sat facing the offering box, he watched how the crowd was dropping their money into it. Many rich people were dropping in large amounts. Then a destitute widow came and dropped in two small copper coins, worth about a cent. He called his disciples and told them, “I tell all of you with certainty, this destitute widow has dropped in more than everyone who is contributing to the offering box, because all of them contributed out of their surplus, but out of her poverty she has given everything she had to live on.” (Mark 12:41-44)

This is also a great way to check whether or not you are worshipping the right God. If you donate everything to me, God will take care of you – he promises so in the Bible! If that doesn't happen, you might need to think a little bit if you really have true faith in true God.

“That’s why I’m telling you to stop worrying about your life—what you will eat or what you will drink—or about your body—what you will wear. Life is more than food, isn’t it, and the body more than clothing? Look at the birds in the sky. They don’t plant or harvest or gather food into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. You are more valuable than they are, aren’t you? Can any of you add a single hour to the length of your life by worrying? And why do you worry about clothes? Consider the lilies in the field and how they grow. They don’t work or spin yarn, but I tell you that not even Solomon in all of his splendor was clothed like one of them. Now if that is the way God clothes the grass in the field, which is alive today and thrown into an oven tomorrow, won’t he clothe you much better—you who have little faith?

“So don’t ever worry by saying, ‘What are we going to eat?’ or ‘What are we going to drink?’ or ‘What are we going to wear?’ because it is the unbelievers who are eager for all those things. Surely your heavenly Father knows that you need all of them! But first be concerned about God’s kingdom and his righteousness, and all of these things will be provided for you as well. So never worry about tomorrow, because tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.” (Matt 6:25-34)

I prefer cryptocurrencies as primary means for transferring your money to me.

  • Steem account: samupaha
  • Bitcoin address: 1DTu35NcM53yHFWSS4xmNV1FGVxgqWYzVR
  • Bitshares account: samupaha

If you want to give any other type of property, leave a comment and we can discuss the details.

And remember – this is win-win deal for both of us!

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I would like to put my hat in the ring for donations of any type of property value from Christians.

Your eternal soul is in peril.

Donate to me today.

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Remember that the road to hell is paved with good intentions, and the devil is always expanding his collection of souls.

Save yours today and donate all of your possessions to me.

You can trust me, I'm a mathematician (or maybe that means you cannot trust me, as man was not meant to intervene in divine affairs).

wtf!! hahahaahahahahaha

Now for the true test of mastery. What then did Jesus mean by this parable from Matthew 25:14?

"Again, it [Jesus' return] will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted his wealth to them. To one he gave five bags of gold, to another two bags, and to another one bag, each according to his ability. Then he went on his journey. The man who had received five bags of gold went at once and put his money to work and gained five bags more. So also, the one with two bags of gold gained two more. But the man who had received one bag went off, dug a hole in the ground and hid his master's money.

"After a long time the master of those servants returned and settled accounts with them. The man who had received five bags of gold brought the other five. 'Master,' he said, 'you entrusted me with five bags of gold. See, I have gained five more.'

"His master replied, 'Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master's happiness!'

"The man with two bags of gold also came. 'Master,' he said, 'you entrusted me with two bags of gold; see, I have gained two more.'

"His master replied, 'Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master's happiness!'

"Then the man who had received one bag of gold came. 'Master,' he said, 'I knew that you are a hard man, harvesting where you have not sown and gathering where you have not scattered seed. So I was afraid and went out and hid your gold in the ground. See, here is what belongs to you.'

"His master replied, 'You wicked, lazy servant! So you knew that I harvest where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered seed? Well then, you should have put my money on deposit with the bankers, so that when I returned I would have received it back with interest.

" 'So take the bag of gold from him and give it to the one who has ten bags. For whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'

This is easy!

The message is: You should invest everything so you can have more later.

Investing in this case is the point that I made in the OP. The more you give away ("invest") in this life, the more you will receive in Heaven.

Those people who haven't given anything in this life will lose everything and more after they die.

Close, but there is also this to consider:

For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person's work. If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved —even though only as one escaping through the flames. -- 1 Corinthians 3:11

Salvation is based only on faith in Jesus Christ. How you use the resources God has given you will merely determine your eternal rewards (specifically, how much responsibility you will be trusted with in the next life.)

His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Enter into the joy of your master!’ -- Matthew 25

This one is little bit trickier.

For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person's work. If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved —even though only as one escaping through the flames. -- 1 Corinthians 3:11

I'd say that this is something like what Jesus talked about Pharisees.

Christians who use gold and other valuable stuff to show their faith are not cool. The right thing to do is to forget all shiny megachurches and rely only on personal faith. Probably you will get saved even if you build (or donate your money for) shiny megachurches, but seriously, that's not cool.

Your best option is to donate all your money for non-christians.

Salvation is based only on faith in Jesus Christ.

And being poor helps a lot, like I pointed out in the OP.

Very insightful. All we have is entrusted to us. IMHO there are increasingly better things to do with it, from least to best:

  1. Spend it on more than we really need for ourselves.
  2. Spend it carelessly on others.
  3. Spend it thoughtfully to maximize meeting the physical needs of others.
  4. Spend it more thoughtfully to maximize meeting the spiritual needs of others.

So, its about giving the Lord the best possible return on investment. This is not necessarily just for non-Christians. You could meet the needs of poor Christians or train rich Christians to be more obedient and effective disciples.

The man with just one bag of gold merely returned it to his master without adding any value. To me, that would be like thoughtlessly giving it away. No increase in value, merely redistributing what you have received.

Nice piece of research. This is the single most use useful and theologically correct post you have ever made - a very valuable compilation of relevant Scripture.

The only error is your belief that your access to Heaven is permanently denied. It's never too late to turn around as long as you have one conscious thought left.

As to sending you money, you have already achieved a commendable freedom from it. It just wouldn't be right to cause your addiction to something from which the rest of us are still struggling to escape. :P

Nice piece of research. This is the single most use useful and theologically correct post you have ever made - a very valuable compilation of relevant Scripture.

Thanks!

The only error is your belief that your access to Heaven is permanently denied. It's never too late to turn around as long as you have one conscious thought left.

Sorry but you are wrong on this. There is actually one occasion when an individual loses the chance for getting into Heaven.

So I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the one to come. (Matt 12:31-32)

I have spoken against the Holy Spirit several times and because it can't be forgiven, I'm banned from Heaven forever. Mark 3:29 and Luke 12:10 make the same point.

As to sending you money, you have already achieved a commendable freedom from it. It just wouldn't be right to cause your addiction to something from which the rest of us are still struggling to escape.

Of course there are a lot of people in the world who are poorer than me. But because I live in a welfare state, everything is very expensive, forbidden and/or heavily regulated. My purchasing power is not really that great.

Given your willingness to discuss this subject and your familiarity with Scripture, I seriously doubt that you have committed the unforgivable sin. After all:

1 Timothy 1:13-15 = “Although I [Paul] was formerly a blasphemer, a persecutor, and an insolent man; but I obtained mercy because I did it ignorantly in unbelief. And the grace of our Lord was exceedingly abundant, with faith and love which are in Christ Jesus. This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief."

The penalty of eternal separation from God with no hope of return applies in scripture only in two cases—either, as in Hebrews 6 and 10, to persons who willfully, publicly and explicitly reject Jesus as Savior after having confessed him, or, as in the gospels, to those who blaspheme against the Holy Spirit by declaring that the works of Jesus were the works of the Evil one.

I found this explanation somewhat helpful: The Unpardonable Sin

When Jesus spoke to the Pharisees, He told them that all sin and blasphemy (defined by the scribes as a direct and explicit abuse of the name of God) is forgivable. He then added an exception for a very specific type of blasphemy, that which is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. In context, the Pharisees had just said that Jesus’ power to cast out devils was by Beelzebub (Matthew 12:24). Beelzebub means “lord of flies,” and was the name of a guardian deity of the Ekronites (2 Kings 1:2). The Jews used this name as an epithet for Satan. In this context, the Pharisees were saying that Jesus was of Satan. The scribes also attributed Jesus’ power as given by Satan (Mark 3:22). The words of the Pharisees and scribes were blasphemy of Jesus. Their words were a direct and explicit abuse of His name and a rejection of who Jesus is.
This blasphemy by the Pharisees and scribes led Jesus to expound more clearly on a sin that was, and always will be, unpardonable—the blaspheming of the Holy Spirit. Since the work of the Holy Spirit is to testify of Jesus, when someone blasphemes the Holy Spirit they are rejecting the testimony of the Lord Jesus Christ.

While someone is doing that, there is, by definition, no way for help to reach them.

So just quit doing that!

Well, I don't know... That interpretation seems to be kind of far fetched. I think Jesus is quite clear on this case. If somebody speaks against Holy Spirit, it won't be ever forgiven.

Only when that rejection becomes settled and firm is there is no hope for forgiveness.

Google "unpardonable sin". There's tons of commentary to that effect.

If somebody takes Bible seriously and literally, there shouldn't be any need for interpretation. Jesus means exactly what he says. Why else he would have said that?

This is by far the best chat dialogue I have ever seen, so much collaboration . Jesus4Life!

That's why I said you should read the large body of commentary (of which I provided a sample above). You can take the Bible seriously and literally and still spend a lifetime understanding the deep implications of everything that Jesus said. Jesus spoke in parables so that only those with the right attitude would understand him. There are many audiences for his words across all time and one should not assume the simplest surface meaning is all there is.

Besides, its not in your best interest to assume the worst case. That way leads to the dark side. While there is life there is hope.

“A certain man had two sons. And the younger of them said to his father, ‘Father, give me the portion of goods that falls to me.’ So he divided to them his livelihood. And not many days after, the younger son gathered all together, journeyed to a far country, and there wasted his possessions with prodigal living. But when he had spent all, there arose a severe famine in that land, and he began to be in want. Then he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country, and he sent him into his fields to feed swine. And he would gladly have filled his stomach with the pods that the swine ate, and no one gave him anything.

“But when he came to himself, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired servants have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger! I will arise and go to my father, and will say to him, “Father, I have sinned against heaven and before you, and I am no longer worthy to be called your son. Make me like one of your hired servants.”’

“And he arose and came to his father. But when he was still a great way off, his father saw him and had compassion, and ran and fell on his neck and kissed him. And the son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your sight, and am no longer worthy to be called your son.’

“But the father said to his servants, ‘Bring[a] out the best robe and put it on him, and put a ring on his hand and sandals on his feet. And bring the fatted calf here and kill it, and let us eat and be merry; for this my son was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’ And they began to be merry.

“Now his older son was in the field. And as he came and drew near to the house, he heard music and dancing. So he called one of the servants and asked what these things meant. And he said to him, ‘Your brother has come, and because he has received him safe and sound, your father has killed the fatted calf.’

“But he was angry and would not go in. Therefore his father came out and pleaded with him. So he answered and said to his father, ‘Lo, these many years I have been serving you; I never transgressed your commandment at any time; and yet you never gave me a young goat, that I might make merry with my friends. But as soon as this son of yours came, who has devoured your livelihood with harlots, you killed the fatted calf for him.’

“And he said to him, ‘Son, you are always with me, and all that I have is yours. It was right that we should make merry and be glad, for your brother was dead and is alive again, and was lost and is found.’” -- A parable of Jesus from Luke 15:11-31

Yeah, Jesus spoke in parables, but I don't think that is case in this situation. He is not telling a story, he is stating facts.

I have spoken against the Holy Spirit several times and because it can't be forgiven, I'm banned from Heaven forever.

The ministry of the Holy Spirit is to testify of Jesus, to point us to Jesus. When that testimony of the Holy Spirit about who Jesus is and what he came to do is fully rejected then one has truly blasphemed the Holy Spirit. Only when that rejection becomes settled and firm is there no hope for forgiveness.

How can someone know if they have blasphemed the Holy Spirit?

The fact that someone desires Jesus at all shows that they are not guilty of this sin.

Do you want Jesus? Do you want to put your faith in him? Do you seek after him at all? Then this is evidence that you have not finally and completely rejected the testimony of the Holy Spirit. The continued rejection of Jesus makes us more and more hardened against him and puts us on the path for a full and final rejection.

I have rejected Jesus pretty much all of my life, so I don't think that even this interpretation will save me.

So just quit doing that!

Then Stan has the best answer above. :)

1 Samuel 16:7
But the LORD said to Samuel, "Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The LORD does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart."

This should be in funny, not in christianity. Otherwise this is entertaining.

Sometimes we Christians need a good satirical poke to get the Message.

This is what the Bible says. Check for yourself if you don't believe. Being poor is something that Jesus states as a prerequisite for Heaven.

This is very important point in christian theology, although many heretics try to act like it's not.

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