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RE: Ban On Feeding The Homeless Not Working
"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law." - Galatians 5:22-23
So much for a government supposedly based on biblical principles. :(
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The American government was founded on liberal, deist principles, not necessarily Biblical ones. Many of the signers and framers of the founding documents were Deists, and many of our presidents were Deists (George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Abe Lincoln etc.)
It has since been corrupted by authoritarian government intervention, which flies wholly in the face of the liberal ideology. (When I speak of liberals, I do not mean it as the word has come to mean today. I speak of the liberals in times past. Men like John Locke, Voltaire, JFK, Martin Luther King Jr. etc.)
Hey, Max, I appreciate your comments here.
Yes, I understand the original meaning of the word "liberal," and also your need to anchor your use of it in history. ;) I think that at least with respect to what is being discussed here, we are "on the same page."
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Thanks so much! Im glad you've followed me! I'll be sure to follow you back :)
I saw your other response as well, and while Im very busy right now I will respond as soon as possible. Also, expect a new post soon! (Final edition to my series).
Thanks :)
Nice to "meet" you @maxvespia9! :)
Liberal, debit principles? Yes, of course. The founders were, however, far more well versed in the content of scripture than most moderns. Many core concepts of the idea of America were biblical (e.g. the concept of "public servant" vs "ruler.") However, at key junctures, biblical alignment was abandoned - possibly quite intentionally.
Jefferson, for instance, took a pair of scissors to his bible... And, the authors of the constitution might just as well have.
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I agree they were well versed in scripture(as were most people at the time), but many abandoned it in their personal lives. I dont see many Biblical values in the constitution or the declaration of independence (although I may be missing them.)
Where in the Bible does it talk about a ruler serving his people/public servant?
Pretty much a principle throughout, but here, for example, is a "clear statement" by Jesus:
But what about the absolute command in the Bible to obey our authorities regardless of how they treat their citizens? As well as the bold claim that God places all our leaders into their positions? That would make God directly responsible for Stalin, Hitler, and many other totalitarian collectivist societies... He obviously either doesnt care enough to pick good leaders, with good "servant-hearted" values that he so allegedly supports, or he is cruel. Or, a classic Deist position, he doesnt interfere at all. (I am a Deist by the way.)
Chapter and verse, please?
There is no such "absolute command." However, a corrupted and co-opted "church" (organized religion) has gone to great lengths, hand in glove with the state, to make it appear so.
Such a claim, stated in this way, ignores a distinction between God's moral will and his sovereign will. Are you familiar with said distinction?
Now you are raising a classic false dichotomy.
Now you've expanded it to a false dilemma. There are, of course, other options, among which is what I accept as the actual solution, one fairly clearly elucidated in the bible.
By the way, I am not a deist. I believe that the man commonly known as "Jesus" is in all truth the eternally existent God who created the universe.
Romans 13: 1 and 2
13 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
I am not. What do you mean by that? Don't we all have a single will?
Your right, I apologize, perhaps you should explain you concept of God's will to me. The way I see it, in the Bible says he hand picks each of our leaders. Now, perhaps they're other options, but the ones that seem visibly apparent to me is:
God places all leaders in power (including evil ones)
From this , we could make one of these few conclusions about His character:
a. He is a cruel God to let cruel leaders come to power
b. He is a careless God who does not care who comes to power
c. He uses them as a "judgement" upon people.
If there are any other conclusions we can make, I would be grateful if you made them known to me. Now, my main objection to c. is that the Bible at the same time claims God is a loving God. Is it loving to judge and allow the carnage and mass genocide of millions of people at the hands of your hand-picked ruler? Regardless of this fact, answer "c" would still make God a cruel God, since he "judges" masses of innocent people, many of them adherents to His religion.
That's my main disagreement with the Christian religion, perhaps Ill do a post on it. If God is really an intervening and ever-present God, he is a cruel master.
Anyways, sorry for the long post :)
Thanks for continuing to discuss this affair with me. I enjoy it! :)
Hi, Max,
Ah, thanks for this clarification, and the subsequent story. I think I have a much better understanding now of your issue. However, this late on Sunday evening I'm not quite ready to respond - other than this acknowledgement and my appreciation.
I will get back to you on this topic, God willing. ;)
looks more like an organization of evil to me...given that it is founded upon force/extortion/coercion and not voluntary association.
I couldn't agree more... Fundamentally evil! :(