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RE: Its a shame Yang sucks and UBI is impossible.

in #busy7 years ago

Does it really work in Germany? What are their budget numbers? What dissent is there? What is your basis for comparison? Why do you imagine that a monopoly is a good thing when administered by the political class? How does hiding costs behind bureaucracy and turning consumer need into an electoral issue actually address the root problem? And if your idea is so good, why must it be compulsory?

Note that I am not defending the status quo here in the US, and I think I already linked in previous conversations examples of how freeing the market has already cut costs and improved transparency. And that's still in the midst of an industry dominated by intellectual property restrictions, corporate protectionism, and insurance cartels.

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I think it works because it does work. Ask literally any German citizen about it.

Any government program has to work at least somewhat, but what is your basis for comparison? Appeals to popularity do not demonstrate anything.

I have experienced Workman's Comp. I know people who have experienced the VA. Yes, they sorta-kinda work, but they suck. When choice is forbidden and a monopoly is imposed, waste and abuse are the consequences. Government is not a magical exception. And whenever their plunder runs short, the most vulnerable are made to play the waiting game until they submit to the price hikes the government mandates.

Have you not seen what happens whenever there's a federal budget crisis and congressional shutdown theater? My health is too important to leave in the hands of Obama, Trump, or whoever comes next.

So what about Canada? Do they have 40,000 deaths per year?

Implying Trump runs the VA or would run a medicare system is stupid and lazy. You are also stupid and lazy.

Nice of you to gloss over the word "congressional" above in your haste to spew insults. You also sidestep how Medicare has massive unfunded liabilities already. It's a terrible model. Why are you so invested in it as a solution?

You also sidestep how Medicare has massive unfunded liabilities already.

Hence expanding it, pay attention for once in your life.

Why are you so invested in it as a solution?

Because I don't want to die because selfish losers like you want to force me to.

If a thing demonstrably fails at a small scale, such as Medicare, Social Security, the VA, Workman's Comp, and their ilk, why do you think it will work at a large scale? Why are you so eager to impose your solution upon others against their will just because of your feelings? And why do you cling to your belief that opposition to your solution can only mean a lack of concern about the problem?

Consistently in our discussions, I challenge your ideas, and you challenge my morality. That's not honest debate. I am done.

if you dont want healthcare, dont get it. that simple, bro

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