"Steem 2.0" on EOS?

in busy •  last year 

So i am not sure how to feel about this, steem obviously has some problems and competition is healthy... but splitting up the community and people "possibly" powering down like crazy in the future does not make me feel very confident.

Don't get me wrong... i will stick with steem either way.

Anyway this happened today....

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Followed by a statement from Daniel Larimer on the EOS telegram group:

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Hope to get some opinions in the comments about this :)

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Thanks for sharing, I just wrote about the future of Steem on EOS too.

Why don't Steemit makes impossible for a person to upvote his/her own post/comment? When i began using Steemit i already found that strange for a user to do that. And i do also, mind you, but just because i can. But i wouldn't mind if it exists that feature that only other people can upvote your stuff, not you. It's like Liking your own Facebook status. It's silly.

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Would be difficult to enforce that tho, it is very easy for people to make a second account... besides i do not believe there is a problem with upvoting your own comments or blogs... as long as they are original and you put work into it, the problem is when you have over 5000 sp and you start to abuse those votes for more than just refunding your own time.

Either way difficult to find a solution.

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Ok. Understood.

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If you couldn't upvote yourself you would just get 2 accounts or if you couldn't get 2 accounts you would make a deal with somebody with equal SP and upvote each other. There's no way around self voting. The only thing we can do is design conflict resolution systems that hold people accountable for self voting. Such as vote negation

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Yeah. You've got a point there.

Oh Happy Day! =)

This is ridiculous. Can something be done about the situation? Maybe if other whales team up, they can at least influence ned?

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Only thing that can be done is to get more active with voting and more critical of our witnesses, than maybe something will change.

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Except witness voting is based on stake weight...

And the top 10 accounts own more than 90%

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I understand there is a problem with distribution, not much we can do about that tho... so i would not know what else it is that we could do besides what dan is proposing, wich is starting all over again and trying to get it right this time.

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Well dan has selfish motivations too you have to remember. Not really convinced eos distribution will be that much better than steem ultimately, especially if any of the funds are being recycled through the ico as is theorized by fuders.

There are ways to make very fair distributions, but so far all we see are money grabs

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What are Dans "selfish" motivations. If Dan were selfish he would have forced what he wanted for steem through his stake which he had the power to do. Instead, as his vision was rejected by the network he stood down as its leader and let us walk on our own feet. And we walked the wrong way.

EOS distribution was designed to be incredibly difficult for any particular person to track the market and manipulate it by their late investment. The recycle accusations are silly. It would be relatively easy to check the ethereum blockchain for that if somebody would go to the bother instead of just throwing the silly accusation around. In fact it's likely people have and came to find no evidence.

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Listen, EOS.io has a huge group of traditional investors that fully funded eos before there was even a crowdsale for the token. The token sale is purely about profit and extracting wealth from other blockchains. The investors and the team have a huge incentive to drive the price up through hype. It is making the team and the investors shit tons of money.

There are ways to do this honestly, like holding funds in smartcontracts that release over time to ensure and prevent fraud. This would have been easy.

Dans comment might be accurate about steem, but to think he is speaking truth unbiasedly when he is building a competing product is incredibly naive.

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EOS.io has a huge group of traditional investors that fully funded eos before there was even a crowdsale for the token.

That's a positive thing as far as I can tell.

The token sale is purely about profit and extracting wealth from other blockchains.

That seems to be a gigantic leap based on the previous comment. The token sale can't be PURELY about profit if it is also about distributing the token to create a large network.

The investors and the team have a huge incentive to drive the price up through hype.

Every investor has an incentive to do this with their investments.

It is making the team and the investors shit tons of money.

It's seeming more and more like this is what you have a problem with.

When you've checked the ethereum blockchain yourself for these recycled transactions we can talk about whether or not their method was honest.

to think he is speaking truth unbiasedly when he is building a competing product is incredibly naive.

Until this comment he's been promoting STEEM as one of his most successful blockchains. Dan is not incentivised to talk trash about his own creation. Steem has first mover advantage and I know for a fact Dan would have preferred if STEEM had stayed healthy and good for its community. He would have profited from its success. Now he has to put more work into a replacement, and it's not to "make more money", but because he doesn't like to see the community that gave him so much wealth being abused and neglected. I'm not being naive. There is nothing selfish about creating a competitor for his own creation. It would be another gift after the many gifts he's already given you and the world. It would be his way of not letting us down, for those of us who did not let him down.

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Like what exactly do you think the witnesses control?

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I know there is not much anyone could do about someone like ned who owns 51% of all steem, but what else would you propose we do? not much we can do about the distribution, maybe we can fix the system or change the community but else we are out of options.

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And that depends on the devs, which work for Steemit Inc

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We could get new developers.

Well he kinda hit the bullseye on that one. These are very real issues with steem.

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Yeah, fully agree, so many fueds going on right now, can't keep track, it is bringing the community down faster then the actual abuse at this rate

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Dan is making a good point but also has selfish motivations. He is starting to disrupt faith in steem so that folks will move to EOS when ready.

It works in this case though cause its really true. Maybe steem is still kinda functional, but as far as content curation it has made very little improvement over the time ive been here.

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I think greed is our real enemy here

This is actually huge news. Thanks for the telegram info.

I think this is the "End of Steemit" for @dan would not be supprised if eosio stopped posting blogs on steemit also. Will be interesting to see if that happens will others follow.

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If Dan makes something like Steemit 2.0 I will be there in a hearth beat.
Whatever he built so far I like.
And I like his psychology.

And there is some strange things going on on Steemit :-(
There are several down votes I lately seen from Ned and few top accounts I don't agree with.
And some action that is questionable.

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Actually I like vote, but I am sad because I hope you also vote or follow @abinz

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