Well, thank you Tiffany. I told my wife that if her family didn't have 145 years invested in that church we would find a new church. Why would a church youth group be encouraging lying? I don't know about you, but I don't send my kids to church to "practice" lying. They get enough practice at home doing that when I ask them who left the bathroom lights on. We either have a ghost that is afraid of the dark, or four good liars. because none of them ever leave the lights on.