RE: Our Child Is Being Put On The Child Protection Services List Because We Refuse To Send Her To School....What is Freedom...Are We Free?
Thank you for your response @healingherb
I am from England and I grew up in care, which is more reason why I will never let them take our children. It's shocking how easy it is for them to come and claim our children nowadays, there should be uproar from the people but i fear people have been dumbed down to point where they have no will power to fight the system that enslaves them.
It's a shame that this is happening now in the uk, as I was always under the impression that as long as you never sent your child to school then they can't fine you for non attendance.
But I am also fully aware of some shocking stories of children being snatched by the state and before the parents even have a chance to fight the case the children have been put under care orders never to to be seen again.
It nearly happened to a friend of mine but luckily he knew all the right legalese to get his kid back before it was too late.
I am very hopeful for our future even under such threats from the state, it is not that easy in Sweden for them to take children but the threats will continue.
Thanks for the interaction.
I don't understand the ins and outs, but in general, when you get a marriage license and have children and give them a state birth certificate, you have made them the states property. You've asked the state for permission to get married, (why?) and you've registered the product of that union with the state.
I don't know if it's the same everywhere, but in the US it makes no sense to ask the state, which the people created, for permission to do anything. When does the creator need to ask the creation for permission to do anything?
Children that are the product of a marriage not recognized by the state and don't have a birth certificate, are untouchable. The state can't and won't take what is not theirs.
I haven't done the topic justice, but it might be worth looking in to. Void the birth certificate and you take your property (children) back. The state can only tell you what to do with their property, not your own.
I am not sure I agree about anything with birth certificates you said being true but your point on the marriage license is something I had never considered before. Who is the state to tell me that I need their permission to get married. Then once you have their ok if you get married and want a divorce in some states you must wait a year. My ex was living on another continent and I still had to wait a year and then bring someone to testify that we had not slept under the same roof in a year. We parted on friendly terms but according to the state if we wanted a divorce we weren't allowed to sleep one night in the same house for a year.
You don't have to agree, but don't disagree without researching it for yourself. Always check things out for yourself.
And I know you didn't say you disagree, you said you weren't sure. Just trying to get people to think and check stuff for themselves.
I believe that the state thinks we all belong to them, children included. I was only saying I don't think the birth certificate is related. Whether you have one or not if they find out about you they think they own you.
I know what you meant. All I'm saying is don't dismiss it without investigating it. Challenge your thinking.
Yes I am fully aware of the registration trick, it's the same in the uk, when you register your car you get a form back that says you are the registered keeper, not owner, this gives them the right to tow "their" car whenever they see fit, this is the same when you register the birth of your child.
I think it's different in Sweden, without your number that they give you at birth you can't do anything in this country.
But then if everyone did it then the government wouldn't have a leg to stand on.
In this regard Sweden appears to be a little further down the New World Order road. Best to you
scary(new world order)
great info
It depends on which authority you are in in the UK. The UK government's EHEGLA [Elective Home Education Guidelines for Local Authorities] is pretty sound. It's just a problem getting local authorities to keep to it when writing their policy documents and then keep to it in every day contacts with home educators. I just spent 2.5 years reeducating Staffordshire County Council and we finally have policies in place that protect and support home educators/home educated in Staffs. We've also worked to present workshops to all council staff who are likely to have contact with home ed families and those thinking of home educating. They REALLY needed re-educating! But they were willing.
Staffordshire would be a pretty positive place to home educate right now.
We had two advantages in Staffordshire.
It's taken a whole lot of discussing, rewriting and tweaking but finally people are starting to relax in Staffordshire and the EHE team can begin to do some actual supporting ... which in truth they couldn't do when they mistook their job for policing!
I also believe it is possible for children to be removed from parents for unreasonable causes. Frequently people don't know the bounds of their own blasted jobs I have noticed. They don't understand their roles or the law often.
It's great to see someone who's doing real work in situ, @sallylloyd and I'm not an expert. All the same, many millions of us (perhaps that 13% in the UK who believe in some kind of shadow government - see Yougov stats) are listening to interviews like this in which a baby has been torn out of her father's arms and ended up who-knows-where in care having who-know-what done to her. Millions feel that this is a matter of extreme concern. Please take time out to listen to this:
Thanks, @sallylloyd It's great to hear someone doing good work on the inside but I had to post the Richie Allen interview to listen to if you've time. I've no idea about the current situation or how Staffs is but there are countless examples - look up Samantha Baldwin and Vicky Haigh. According to YouGov, a massive 13% of the UK agrees that some kind of shadow government has taken over the world. These are not crazy people - they are simply realising what has gone on. Soc Services are now in some areas an agent of a tyrannous state.
Scary stuff :-(