Bitcoin Core VS Bitcoin Cash - The Next 8 Months

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-August 5, 2017. Less than 4 days after the Bitcoin Cash fork-

As I write this, the price of Bitcoin Core is 3289 USD. A new all time high was reached last night and passed again a few hours later. This trend will likely to become the norm for the coming months.

You’ve probably heard of estimates for the price of Bitcoin at 5000 USD by the end of the year. Even higher. I’ve said this before in various channels, 5000 USD by 2018 seems to me a comfortable target. Only now, that a major breakthrough has happened in Bitcoin’s scaling and consensus.

The events of August 1st have been a great breath of fresh air for a lot of Bitcoiners. Bitcoin Cash, the competing scaling roadmap that was hard fought over for the past 4 or so years has finally decided to fork, and go their own way. Or so it seems.

As I mentioned before on various mediums, It is that internal conflict about the future of Bitcoin that was holding back its growth.

Closely analogous to the price behaviour of Ethereum during the DAO crisis, the price of Bitcoin stagnated and bounced in uncertainty for weeks, only to see a massive rise after both competing factions gave up on collaboration and decided to go their own ways.

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With both development communities officially on their own chains. Core and Blockstream are free-er then they have been in years to pursue and implement all they wish for Bitcoin.

Bitcoin Cash on the other hand no longer have to fight the highly conservative Bitcoin Core community on every potential upgrade and can explore more advanced consensus games on their own realm.

This long term could also be very bullish for Bitcoin Cash, but they’ll have to prove their technical competency at a level that they as far as I can tell have yet to prove.

It’s not that I can code remotely as well as any of them. It’s that they are not just competing with Bitcoin, but with thousands of altcoins behind them. DASH being one of the strongest players in the digital cash market, for what little ground they’ve covered.

Segwit and lightning networks also have an eye on the retail and currency space but will have significant infrastructure to build for their solutions to be simple and usable. Both strategies still have much to prove. It’s still very early on.

So what do you do with your Bitcoin Cash?

Well, if you were lucky enough to have some Bitcoin in one of the exchanges that within the days before the fork decided to enable BTC/BCH trading, like Bittrex, then you’ve probably already sold.

If you are late to the pump and are holding onto your BCH, then you have a difficult choice.

Do you believe in the Bitcoin Cash vision? Of emergent consensus, with dynamic block size growth determined by miners?

Do you believe that there are sufficient incentives for non corporate users to host blockchains that could grow at 8mb or more every 10 minutes?

Do you believe that the Bitcoin Cash development community have the development competency to pull it off?

My bet right now is simple. As far as these two coins go, I’m about 70% Bitcoin, 30% Bitcoin Cash.

The reason being that I’ve seen altcoins struggle for years to implement theoretically sound visions. This is a very difficult space to create on. It’s the cutting edge of economics, IT, distributed systems, cryptography and finance, among others. The talent and planning required to not make major mistakes while trying to modify a ship worth billions of dollars is of heroic caliber.

Meanwhile, Bitcoin core has retained what many believe are top engineers in the industry.

Who’s right? time will tell.

Bitcoin Cash Price

On August the 2nd I posted on my Facebook.

“Just FYI. Bitcoin Cash prices are very distorted right now.

Kraken and Bittrex, top volume exchanges are not accepting deposits not withdrawals of BCH, for network stability and security reasons.

The only tokens trading on exchanges right now are those split from exchange BTC holdings and delivered to customer accounts.

Since you can deposit other cryptos and buy BCH, then you see high demand and short supply.

Meanwhile those with BCH off exchanges are stuck out of the market, unless they sell OTC to high trust buyers.

It'll be a month before we see higher quality price discovery in BCH. The dump probably has not happened yet.”

Since then we saw the price of BCH on Bittrex go near 0.5 BTC a piece, only to go down 0.067 BTC a piece or 220 USD as of time of writing.

The price collapse seems to happen in batches every time a BCH block is mined, which is when deposits into exchanges can happen. As revealed by this chart. A dump was to be expected.

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Can the price of Bitcoin Cash recover?

I would not rule it out. Everything bottoms at some point and this is no ordinary altcoin.

One of the things it has going for it, is the millions of dollars worth of free advertising that is has received. Negative or otherwise, even CNBC is publishing about it, alongside thousands other who are discussing it all over the world.

The people behind Bitcoin Cash are also deeply connected into the Bitcoin ecosystem and it should be relatively easy for platforms like exchanges and some payment processors to add Bitcoin Cash to their platforms.

Wallets in general are sticking to Bitcoin. That could change but it would require serious user interface redesign and thus serious investments.

There’s also a fierce war being fought over the Bitcoin brand. This will likely become more and more visible over the coming months.

Is Bitcoin Cash the original Bitcoin? Is it Core’s open source product? Is it the Bitcoin like blockchain with the most hashing power? Or the one with the longest chain?

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Bitcoin’s brand is being fought over as we speak and will likely be the source of drama and future battlegrounds as both chains move further away from each other's common ground.

Bitcoin Cash, The Big Blocker’s Insurance Policy

There is however an alternative theory as to what is going on. And it is that this scaling conflict is not over yet.

Jihan Wu, Bitmain, Roger Ver, the mining pool among, Barry Silbert’s Digital Currency Group and other Big blockers, are still pushing forward the ‘Segwit2x’ New York agreement. An agreement that I’ve seen Core and Blockstream say they were not invited to partake in or give input on.

This agreement puts forth a 2 mb hard fork of Bitcoin set in November of 2017.

The fascinating thing about this is, Segwit2x has a lot of miner support. 92% is nothing to balk at. Strange given that Segwit2x supports the Core dreaded Asicboost.

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If Core does not support Segwit2x, they will be shown as the unreasonable ones, the ones against miner consensus. Miners who to a serious degree are independent users pointing their power to specific pools and using their influence however possible to direct the pool’s behaviour on these crypto consensus decisions.

If Core rejects this Segwit2x, which whispers and market sentiment from my experience is that they want to, then the big blockers now have Bitcoin Cash to point their hashing power to. And they’ll have a very strong ethical argumentation behind them. After all, if 90% of miners support a particular change, who are the developers to oppose that? Who do the developers work for?

They got Segwit in, after all. And the markets are signaling confidence, so users are in general happy.

As we speak, Core is probably trying to figure out where they stand on this now and whether this is a fight worth fighting. Update: They've committed to rejecting Segwit2x

In the event of Segwit2x not going through, there’s a very real possibility, that Jihan Wu’s Bitmain, Roger Ver and other big blockers will point their hashing power to Bitcoin Cash, a move which Big blockers as well as some neutral players are likely to follow.

This could slice Bitcoin’s hashing power in half, maybe more. And with the right media support, could pass on the Bitcoin brand finally to Bitcoin Cash, as they would be as close as ever to having the greatest hashing power and soon the longest chain.

Granted, miners could change their tune by then. And there could be a third fork in a worst case scenario, one that specifically supports Segwit2x but that seems to make little sense. More on that some other time.

This theory was revealed to me in an anonymous pastebin ‘leak’ that’s been going around. At first I didn’t believe it, but now it is making sense of a lot of things.

In fact. I just received indirect but very clear confirmation that this indeed is the intention. At least as things stand.

I will not reveal the source in order to protect it. But it’s enough to make me want to hold the BCH I have and look for a bottom to get in on, as insurance in the upcoming November Scaling deadline.

Redirecting all or most hashing power big blockers have to BCH would be a very expensive thing to do. For this stunt to win over Bitcoin, they’ll have to play their cards very well. It is not clear to me, for what that is worth, that they have the development talent or the community support to deploy the Bitcoin Cash vision as they wish it.



Bitcoin Cash on the other hand no longer have to fight the highly conservative Bitcoin Core community on every potential upgrade and can explore more advanced consensus games on their own realm.

Srsly? Segwit completely abandons Bitcoin's security model. Segwit redefines Bitcoin consensus all the way down to the mathematical definition of a bitcoin.

Cash, on the other hand, is Satoshi's Bitcoin, exactly. "It's got bigger blocks than Satoshi's Bitcoin!" you say, but that's not true: the original Bitcoin Satoshi made had no block size limit. He added the size limit as an anti-spam measure in 2010, and clearly intended that limit to be raised before it would be reached.

Moreover, nakamoto was not concerned about the growing bandwidth requirements pricing home computers out of the full node game:

Only people trying to [mine] new coins would need to run network nodes. At first, most users would run network nodes, but as the network grows beyond a certain point, it would be left more and more to specialists with server farms of specialized hardware.
-- Satoshi Nakamoto

So yes, Bitcoin Cash is Nakamoto's Bitcoin. It changes literally nothing from Nakamoto's; even Nakamoto unilaterally added a block size limit completely arbitrarily, set to way higher than blocks were expected to grow, for years. And reading Nakamoto's posts, it's clear he intended it to be raised or removed long before it inhibited network scaling.

Segwit is not Bitcoin. Segwit is a trojan, designed to subvert the brilliantly simple, elegant, unshakeable security of nakamoto's Bitcoin. It is marketed through deception, confusion, censorship, and FUD; all of which are anathema to the open, transparent nature of Bitcoin. The goal of segwit is to change Bitcoin's open protocol nature where all transactions which appear valid are accepted, to a closed protocol where all transactions, legitimate or not, are potentially valid, based on subjective approval of the miners.

Excellent comment. I've read some of your previous articles and I'm very impressed. I'm holding half my money on BCH as it has to go up. It's simply just better.
Still I'm with Dash for the long run.
Also what do you think about
If they can execute what they are trying to do, they'll be one of the biggest leaders in cryptospace in the future.

" Segwit completely abandons Bitcoin's security model." Yeah I read your article. I don't buy It. I'm having other devs do analysis of it now. Ofcourse, that's part of the challenge, those that can't read the code well enough need to rely on interpreters.

Satoshi is gone. And he was human. He made the mistake of not putting a time lock release mechanism on the block size for example. He probably made other mistakes. Everyone does.

I'll do some name dropping too. Nick Szabo " Coffee Chain TM does not need 'hi as fuck security," to paraphrase a it. Here's a related one.

Adam back is also clearly on the core side, he pretty much invented proof of work.

How do you demonize Adam Back? See there's legends on the other side, and that means a level of confidence that is very visible in the price. Tho we'll see what happens in November. I was pissed I think they should just Hard fork to 2mbs and cut the bullshit. 92% is amazing.

I'm all for innovation, I agree that some kind of emergent consensus is worth exploring, though you still don't have incentives for full nodes on Bitcoin Cash, so its still gonna be less stable the DASH probably.

Let me ask you something.

Is Bitcoin Core's open source development process, meritocratic? If not, how is Bitcoin Cash doing it better?

As far as censorship. The big blockers have had a competitive reddit, and publishing for years now. There's hardly censorship anymore. fuck its the time and space with the most freedom of speech ever imaginable in history, The internet, in englisn on western nations.

Ppl need to stop crying victim so much and start competing on the media front if they really have such good arguments and positions.

As far as this.

"The goal of segwit is to change Bitcoin's open protocol nature where all transactions which appear valid are accepted, to a closed protocol where all transactions, legitimate or not, are potentially valid, based on subjective approval of the miners."

As far as this, if it is true then I will join you in denouncing it. If it is really as you put it. But you understand I cant just trust u on something that important. So im having others analyse it. when I have a clear enough picture I'll make an article responding to this.

So what you are implying with your argument is because Satoshi was human Bitcoin was a mistake.

Also note that simplified payment verification was never implemented on Bitcoin.

If Bitcoin Cash implemented, I think that'd be a great triumph.

As far as censorship goes. have you read this?

Also srsly. whats "mathematical definition of a bitcoin." ?

I know of some definitions, like Gavin Andressen's. Which segwit is compatible with AFAICT

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Interesting and lots of info! I think I'll buy up a little more BCH and hold on. From the research I've done, it sounds like the more people-friendly version. Thanks for sharing.. followed!

Very good points, Juan. I'm with you that we really don't know. Good time to hedge our bets. This market is extremely volatile so it is best to not count on anything with certainty.

Thank you for sharing what you did. Resteemed and upvoted.

Very educational post, thank you

I think you are being naive when it comes to The Takers, I mean, Core. In a recently published article on, the following was said:

Now, software developer Matt Corallo (TheBlueMatt) and other Core developers have introduced a concept for the Core reference code. It seems the new idea will have Bitcoin Core 0.15.0 automatically disconnect nodes running Bitcoin-ABC and the Segwit2x fork.


Every single Core developer has stated that they will not support a hard fork in November, which means Core software will not be aligned with the Segwit2x plan.

Another article has an image with a list of Core developers who oppose SegWit2x.

I am not sure why you would still believe anything that comes out of Core's mouth, but they were invited to the meeting in New York and they declined. Also, after consensus was reached with BIP91, Core could have withdrawn or rejected BIP148, the UASF, or have at least issued a statement that they would go along with the BIP91 consensus. They have not because it doesn't go along with Blockstream's roadmap. Core got what they wanted, SegWit is locked in and activated, now they are trying to undermine SegWit2x. They have proven themselves to be unreasonable.

So they opose segwit 2x. can you show me conclusive enough evidence that they were invited to the NYA meeting and refused to go?

Bip148 wasnt or didnt need to be activated post bip91, segwit was in, i dont get what you are pointing to there.

At the end of the day, the future of bitcoin is a matter of vision, subjective value theory and very few physics based objective facts that can be determined mathematically and through computer science.

Certain economic principles apply, but with cryptography, you are essentially building the environment which shapes incentives. that gives u certain freedom to modify the economic nature of the thing. U ok with 20k USD data centers to host Bitcoin Cash blockchains? isnt that where it is going?

It's definitely going to be an interesting few months. I hope they both do well :)

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I'm pretty much flipped on your percentages, holding lots of ETC too instead of ETH. I do put a lot of weight on sticking with original vision.

Also the open-source practice of making a series of small changes and continually pushing them out for testing/use makes a lot more sense.
This BIP series seems a bit too much to commit. And irreversibility isn't good. No software rollback?
And the motivation behind it is ah, a bit murky shall we are the root motivators.

true. really tempted here to try to snach up some cheap BCH just in case. tho there's a potential third chain with Segwit2x coming up.

I am with you @juansgalt. I will be hedging both sides and really care not who wins. In the end this is a free market.

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