Mempool Backlog and Segwit Support

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If you are a bitcoiner and haven’t been living under a rock for the past week, you probably know that segwit signaling hasn’t been doing as well as many had anticipated. BIPS often take a few months to signal to 95%, but many are already claiming that segwit will be unable to pass with the 95% of signaled blocks needed to lock in the change. While many, if not most believe segwit is a good beneficial change to bitcoin, some of the miners are refusing to allow the change without a hard fork blocksize limit along with the change, or at least a definitely time scheduled by core for a hard fork to take place. The result has left both sides feeling disgruntled that neither options look like they are going to take place.

In my opinion both sides of developers’ arrogance in not even trying to make any sort of compromise is hurting the project in the long run. This is no surprise and many have expressed these feelings before, but as transaction fees continue to get more expensive and the mempool continues to become fuller and fuller over time, user adoption is going to be hindered greatly. Most people don’t expect bitcoin transactions to be completely free, but if we are getting to a point where they are dollars each, we have a massive problem. User adoption will halt or completely slow, moving us back to an equilibrium level where transactions will cost X amount and we will never be able to move forward. There are those that seem to believe people will use bitcoin regardless of transaction cost, but I disagree. There is a real point at which people will start to use other options, as the benefit of low cost transactions disappears.

The mempool’s backlog right now doesn’t seem like spam either, it seems like many people are genuinely trying to just use the blockchain and are waiting half a day for a transaction to even be included because many wallets aren’t correctly calculating the fee. We have been seeing the number of bitcoin transactions rise pretty steadily with expectation that the trend will continue. It is only a matter of time before the backlog gets to a point where it will be completely overloaded all the time. If people think what we are seeing now is bad, just wait for that time. Without some sort of scaling solution, I see that happening before the end of the year.

I personally am in the camp that doesn’t believe that a hard fork to a 2 MB block and adding segwit is as dangerous as many would have you to believe (albeit it should not be a change taken lightly and done in an afternoon, testing should take place for a period of time) and that both sides need to compromise for the good of the users. I think both sides of the debate are doing what they think is best for bitcoin and actively trying to sabotage the system, but the nature of an open source project , especially one like bitcoin, means that there is no one leader that makes a final say on what goes through. I do find it a bit childish that the pro hard fork miners that support segwit, but not without a hard fork as well, are willing to take the users hostage to get their point across.

I do think that segwit will begin to gain more traction in the upcoming months, but I don’t think overnight it is going to pass. It is still very early on and I think that we unfortunately are going to need to see the full effects of what happens if a decision is not made before the developers and miners actually sit down and talk about compromise. Both sides seem convinced they are right and not open to any sort of compromise and only something that threatens the price or user adoption will create an opening to for talks. As users, all we can really do is sit by and watch as things unfold and hope for the best. In happier thoughts, I hope everyone in the US has a great thanksgiving and some delicious meals!

-Calaber24p

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but as transaction fees continue to get more expensive and the mempool continues to become fuller and fuller over time, user adoption is going to be hindered greatly. Most people don’t expect bitcoin transactions to be completely free, but if we are getting to a point where they are dollars each, we have a massive problem.

exactly why I stopped following bitcoins development, oh and r/bitcoin was a major reason too.

The whole segwit / big block discussion has been going on for ages. With users up to two years back stating that the block size should be raised, while a few of the current Core developers just turned their back and said no. I find it weird that Blockstream up until this point has stood such firm ground on their beliefs of the 1mb cap and sees no intention to raising it in the future. Don't get me wrong though, segwit is a good idea. But it kind of feels like they are saying "my way or the high way".

I am not sure if this determining of the block size should be determined by the developers. I'd rather see that put in the hands of the miners & node operators. This way you can have an honest vote and the block size will be automatically determined.

I very curious to see where segwit will go and if it will ever be adopted. I think for some parties it now comes down to not voting for segwit because they have been ignored in the past (censorship and what not). Some just want to see bitcoin moving forward despite what solution.

I am not sure if this determining of the block size should be determined by the developers. I'd rather see that put in the hands of the miners & node operators. This way you can have an honest vote and the block size will be automatically determined.

That is what I fear, that would essentially create a government out of Bitcoin. Do we really want to go down that way?

Why not just invent an algorithm that would automatically adjust the blocksize depending on certain criteria like how a few developers have suggested.

We want to make Bitcoin more and more automated to require less intervention from humans, otherwise we will create a government, and nobody wants that.

This Bitcoin with adjustable block size depending on previous sizes exists already, it is called Monero and totally anonymous :)

Monero cant even put out a lightweight wallet, so that people can safely store their stashes without downloading the blockchain.

I have invested in Monero and made big profits, but I cant invest as much as I want in it, due to this annoying lack.

When Monero will have an Electrum-like wallet, notify me and I will invest 20% of my assets in it, because I do believe it has big potential.

Thanks for sharing.

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Can't see it getting passed even though it is needed for the lightning network as far as I know. Self governing blockchains that pay some of the mining rewards to developers will win this part of the marathon, namely Steem and Dash. Who will win the blockchain race is anyone's guess.

Thanks for sharing ! Buying XMR selling BTC seems to be the right trade then !

I think this is going to end very badly. One of the main reasons why I refuse to hold Bitcoin any longer. There's a mental sickness in Bitcoin I don't think its going to be cured anytime soon. I may take a crash in BTC price to wake CORE and THE CHINESE MINING CARTEL up! By then its too late another alt will take over. A lot who are into Crypto and not a bais Bitcoin Max. know SegWit will fail. Even if it passes best case scenario is 2-3 years out before LN would kick in. Bitcoin will never die but never scale into the masses either. IMO it will be a niche currency only used in b/t other Bitcoin Max. Libertarians.

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