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anarchy is the destruction of all unjustified hierarchy. Private property itself was stolen during the enclosure acts, through force. Once it was all collective property, now the workers must fight each other to work under the capitalist just to survive. Without guards nothing would keep capitalism in existence.
Capitalism has never existed without a government, while we have hundreds of examples of communism and socialism. You lack fundamental understanding of anarchy and you disgust me.
You're confusing capitalism with communism. You obviously didn't watch the video.
here I think this video applies to you
So the maker of this video doesn't understand private property rights either.
Hey, if you think private property is a bad thing, give me your car.
it is you who doesn't understand private property.
Then explain it without launching into childish ad hominems. How do you equate "private" with "government"??
because private property can not exist without the government lmao
You are wrong by definition. Definition of "private property":
n. Property to which the state or other public organizations do not have exclusive property rights.
I don't need the government to define my stuff that I bought as mine. We don't need government to tell whose shit is whose. To say I need the government to defend my property or prove that it is mine just means you don't respect common sense or common law for that matter.
wrong
"private property is a legal designation for the ownership of property by non-governmental legal entities.[1] Private property is distinguishable from public property, which is owned by a state entity; and from collective (or cooperative) property, which is owned by a group of non-governmental entities.[2][3] Private property is further distinguished from personal property, which refers to property for personal use and consumption. Private property is a legal concept defined and enforced by a country's political system.[4]"
"private property rights"
You mean those legal fictions that can't exist without the government?
No, wtf are you talking about? Private property is just my shit, nothing else. I don't know what you learned from buzzfeed videos, but legal fictions have nothing to do with private property.
personal property is what you use and own. Private property is what you use and somebody else owns or vice versa. Collective property is what everybody uses and nobody owns.
you have no understanding of economics you fucking failure.
Hmmm...so what about a property that I use and also rent out?
Let the hate flow through you. Your insults only serve to prove that you have no argument.
"Hmmm...so what about a property that I use and also rent out?"
this video explains it
that's personal property not private property. Nice try tho, looks like you don't understand the different types of property.
Typical capitalist
Okayyy...so can you explain the difference between personal and private property? Who owns "private" property if not an individual?
"Who owns "private" property if not an individual?"
private ownership is a legal fiction. It only exists through governmental violence. You ever hear of the enclosure acts?
capitalism literally started with the government stealing a bunch of collective property and giving it to the ruling class lmao
"capitalism literally started with the government stealing a bunch of collective property and giving it to the ruling class lmao"
Another made up argument that has no factual basis. The term "capitalism" was actually coined by Marx in 'Das Kapital'. Look it up.
it doesn't matter when the term was created I'm talking about the system itself retard lmao
oh yeah here is a nice video on collectivism
you might like it ;)
"private ownership is a legal fiction."
Where do you get that idea? Can you provide a source that isn't a youtube video?
where do I get this idea? Well first of all. Enclosure acts. Second of all capitalism has never existed without a gov. Third of all the workers build and upkeep the means of production, the only thing that binds it to the "owner' is a legal deed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_property
here that defines it well enough.
Capitalism was first defined by marx, why won't you use the marxist definitions of property as well? retard
what?
can you even define capitalism or communism?
I wrote a paper on it in college. That was before the internet so I had to actually read old books like Das Kapital.
Have you ever read the Communist Manifesto? You do realize that every plank of that manifesto is in effect in America? Including the most important one: Creation of a Central Bank.
Can you explain how you can achieve capitalism when the currency is centrally created?
"Can you explain how you can achieve capitalism when the currency is centrally created?"
capitalism without that has never existed. Capitalism without a government is impossible lmao
"Capitalism without a government is impossible"
You have come nowhere near to explaining that. Capitalism literally means "PRIVATE property rights". How do you equate "PRIVATE" with "Government"??
because private property rights only exist through the gov. You need the police and the military or the workers will simply ignore you and labor freely lmao.
To quote the first self-proclaimed anarchist "[private] property is theft"
capitalism started with the enclosure acts. The enclosure acts were when the gov literally took over collective property and made it private property. How can't you equate private with government?
what are you actually fucking stupid?
Communism is when private property is abolished and the means of production become collectivised so that the workers may control them freely. You obviously do not understand any form of economic system
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
here the simple english wikipedia might help you out
"what are you actually fucking stupid?"
That kind of statement is very telling of your knowledge of this matter.
So you think abolishing private property is a good thing? Ok, so I need a car - give me yours so that we may collectively be more efficient.
yet again that is personal property not private property. You are stupid
Again, you refuse to actually make a distinction between the two and opt instead to make the failing ad hominem argument.
The point of this back and forth is only to serve as education to others who might be reading it. By name calling, the vast majority are automatically going to perceive that you are losing the argument. So thanks.
losing the argument? You haven't see this video