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RE: Baptism pt 1

in #bible7 years ago (edited)

I would have expected you had gone beyond the Greek meaning of the word to try to defend submerging. However, you are mixing words: baptein means to dip, but baptizein has more meaning and you can see it in the Bible being used in the rite when the Jews pour water on the hands for washing (Luke XI, 38).

Notice that burial, and rebirth from water, is not a burial for the body, as is not the body that requires water, but the soul.

You do require water (the first and purest element), and water is then to be poured onto the head. Such as been bestowed of the Holy Ghost (read more about it below). Baptismal waters go into your soul (not into, around, etc. your body), and by been buried with Christ you can walk a new life.

We, little fish, according to our FISH Jesus Christ, are born in water, and we only live divine life while we remain in water (Tertullian). And we are after baptism being carried out in water, as the Holy Ghost (Genesis), who sanctifies water when invoked upon it, and thus leads us into sanctity.
But we are not living under water, it is just the baptismal ("Holy-Ghosted") waters that entered into our soul during the rite.

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baptízō seems to be the correct word for Baptism and it means to dip (as you said) but also to submerge and immerse - http://biblehub.com/greek/907.htm. Early church history (before Nicean 1) also shows that full immersion was the overwhelming norm - the only exceptions I can find are when people were too sick for full immersion. Why did we deviate from the practice that Jesus underwent and how the Apostles baptized? Likely because we decided that we would prefer to do things our way and that our logic was better than that of the Apostles.

The idea of a separate body and soul is not something that is found in the Bible in the terms you are describing. It is more of an Ancient Greek concept that was probably adapted later in the Church. More often, the Hebrews viewed the two as integrated. Our eternal life is portrayed in physical terms rather than us existing as ghosts living in the clouds. I think that it overcomplicates the issue and is human hubris to try and project our conceptions onto the word rather than let the word stand on its own. Drawing a distinction how baptism works on the soul does just this. The text is clear that Baptism washes us from our sins. History shows how it was overwhelmingly practiced in the early church. Why do we need to reinterpret this?

Tertullian's example of fish seems apt - but I prefer Paul's words on us being the body and Jesus being the head. We cannot have life apart from Jesus and he is the water that satisfies all thirst (as he told Samaritan woman at the well). Baptism is a transition point to our new life just like birth (it is literally our birth into Christ where we receive the Holy Spirit. On this point - I feel there is another needless complication - Baptism specifically promises us the gift of the Holy Spirit living in us, NOT the gift of sanctified water that lives in us.

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