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I want to make the argument that most DC based things look bad but some end up really good. Examples of things that looked like crap to me that I ended up enjoying a lot: Shazam, Gotham, and Lucifer.

I cannot make any arguement for Ruby Rose lol, she was not so great in the one thing I seen her in, Orange is the New Black. I actually do look forward to what they do with this, I thought the new Titans show was good and Doom Patrol was even better.

I didn't watch the DC shows yet. Shazam and Gotham looked really good from the trailers to me.

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