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RE: Basic Income is a fantasy through socialized theft, it sucks, the end. Or is it?

in #basic-income8 years ago

My thought is that for something like this to work, the idea of income needs to be erased from the equation. Rather, a concept of basic supply would make more sense.
An example would be allotments of produce, meat, dairy and other assorted items necessary for survival. These could be bartered between individuals, but the basic nutrient value and mass would be consistent for everyone.
By removing the income aspect of it, the competition and socialist concerns are diminished. All a person needs to do in order to survive is to show up to receive their allotment. If someone has more than enough, they don't show up for more or they donate, sell or barter their allotment.
The land part is more challenging. It's one thing to point at how land has been regulated out of the hands of the people (allodial title is almost non-existent in the world today, in favor of feudal entitlement). Even large portions of what once was private property have been appropriated by bureaucrats on the controlling end of a gun.
But other families have been able to maintain their land well and have worked it for generations. It is their contribution, means and source.
Assumption of land stolen by the state for redistribution to the populace makes sense. Assumption of land owned by individuals is another. IMO, there's no equitable way to accomplish the latter.
Thus, the market is not affected in any way, other than basic necessities see a reduction in demand.

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Yup, that's another way to do it like RBE. Money is just easier to facilitate exchanges, but an ID card would also apply. I see issues of restriction and control, but I've though about it as well.

My initial idea a few years ago for a better future was based without automation, and how we maximize our free time if we work together to get the basics down for everyone: cooperative 1h/week farm work, water work, shelter work, or other work, collectively producing abundance, and leaving the rest of the time each week to go pursue any other higher goals than survival. The laziness factor was always something bothersome, which I resolved through social pressure, tension, conflict, shunning, ostracism and expulsion from the community if a free loader keeps being a free loader.

One thing is for sure, whatever direction we go in, we need to be on the same page. Something Steemit is showing it lacks, and needs to develop. I am all for Ned and Dan, and Steemit Inc keeping their SP holdings for years to come to prevent a chaotic, false anarchistic, democratic, free for all mob rule, if they lose control of leading Steemit in a direction. Imagine if there was no founders or leaders, Steemit would be forking left and right with people pulling & pushing in different directions. It would collapse in short time. Steemit is an experiment, and I'm glad to have the founders leading the direction for where we go. They have the vision, they created the platform. Other people don't get their vision, and want to go in another direction, taking Steemit along with them...

It's a tough exercise for me. The idea of creating an environment where everyone is provided for is appealing to me for many obvious reasons. For one, it would free people to pursue methods of production without the pressure of making sure that production puts food on the table. But it also negates the poverty that results in death and disease, which is really something that would be nice to resolve. As long as warmongers pull the string, this concept likely won't be realized except maybe in a coercive fashion.
OTOH, a worker is worthy of his wages. Folks that excel should enjoy the fruit of their labor. Those who don't or are sloths, shouldn't ride on their coattails without their blessing.
Ideally, this could manifest without rulers. Relying on the benevolence of those with the most power always leads to tyranny, eventually. But even anarchy needs boundaries.

or perhaps ownersip, where every individual is granted the ownership of some form of property that he/she can do what they want with to ncreate more harmonious living. A next level of social housing.

I think the best model yet is that of the Venus project.

Which promotes a "sharing" economy.

which basically means that is something is needed to be accessed, it is made accesable

https://www.thevenusproject.com/

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