Peak Insanity – My phone call today with a mortgage broker.
I have an urgent update for my followers interested in the state of the Australian housing bubble; something that seems to be showing cracks with every passing day.
A few months ago, my wife and I invited into our home a lovely lady from the largest mortgage lender in this country. We spent hours discussing our motivations for looking into loan options and what collateral we could offer should we decide to pursue a loan. This was an exercise simply in evaluating dispassionately possible courses of action for us.
For someone in the business of selling debt, I was impressed with her acceptance of our discussions on sound money and other non-mainstream financial concepts. We were congratulated on what an admirable fiscal situation we were in and the lender remarked that we certainly didn’t fit the demographic of her typical applicants; those who generally couldn’t budget and had debt already coming out of their ears.
We parted ways at the time having been approved for an amount that we would never wish to borrow.
Today I received a call from her to touch base. Perhaps loan quotas are down and she wanted to see whether there was any interest in pledging future decades of our labour to the bank. To be fair, I don’t blame her for this, it’s her job and we did invite her into our lives.
I had an honest conversation with her and discussed how I see growing signs that we’ve reached the end of the cycle. Here I’ll present you with pearl #1. Her response was:
”Do you think we’re at the end of a down cycle or up cycle?”
Now, for her to suggest that we are at the end of a down cycle implies that she sees prices turning to the upside from here and this I found staggering. The conversation continued. I mentioned Australia's record household debt, now around 189% of incomes and more than 123% of GDP as I’ve covered here and I mentioned the fact that 60% of investment properties are loss making according to the ATO.
I spoke of my concern at the political forces supporting artificial housing demand, namely our current 200,000 per year immigration figure in the context of the historical average of 80,000. Here I was presented with the rational argument
"But politics will always change so you may as well act without considering it"
Hmmm, I don’t feel particularly comfortable deploying funds while ignoring glaring deviations from historical trends that seem to be artificially supporting the price level of the investment category in question.
I told the story of the chap over the road from us who hasn’t been able to sell in almost half a year and I told her that my walks around the suburbs at lunch have indicated a supply side bias as photographed here. Then came crazy quote #3
"50% of economists get predictions wrong so it’s a coin toss, you may as well jump in"
Sure! Why not! It’s not like it’s an all-in bet with inter-generational consequences… oh wait…
I was then told that the banks are raising interest rates. That sounded like something I should be selling her as an argument not to buy, but I was comforted by her assuring me that
"That’s limited to interest only loans"
Phew! For a moment I was worried about spill-over effects. Doesn’t that statement sound very much like Bernanke’s “Subprime is contained”? She went on to say that my wife and I sound like
"People who would only buy when they find a property that suits them at the right price"
… implying that this is somehow something that normally should be avoided. Apparently many loan applicants are driven primarily by urgency, opting to purchase properties that don’t meet their needs or price simply to avoid waiting to find something that does.
At this point, I wished I could record the audio so that I could accurately quote the content for posterity on STEEMIT as I just couldn’t believe what I was hearing. Then came the Mona Lisa:
”This research and analysis that you do is not good for you, it’s hindering your ability to get into the market”
Translation: Don’t think, just buy. Sound like a statement that would flag a market top? My only comment to that was to remind her that she was obviously previously impressed with the results of my “research and analysis” when we first met and discussed our financial position.
So to conclude, at lunchtime I received a call from the top mortgage lender in Australia suggesting that I am hurting my financial future by researching and I should commit to a loan on a property now regardless of whether it suits my needs or budget.
What more can I say?
I post this in an attempt to supplement the efforts of those such as @cheekybuggy who are trying to bring what I fear will be a devastating economic downturn to the public narrative.
Thanks for a mention and a wonderfully entertaining post....oh thats right this was real not entertainment oops.
Wow you are much more patient than I amigo.
She must have come straight from one of those Amway style pump meetings where they feed them the closing quotes to get punters over the line.
It is as you say another clear sign of a bloated financial scheme that requires constant fresh meet at all costs to ever expand the dodgy toilet paper(Fiat) currency at the same time enslaving the eyes wide shut crowd.
Thanks again
Glad you enjoyed it mate... but yes, it's very real. I was actually thinking of posting as I was on the phone and was trying to absorb as much of the conversation as I could because I had the feeling that "history was happening"! I do feel that the on-the-ground observations are worth more than the figures and statistics which is why I try to blog about all the signs available to me.
Agreed, your posts with the visuals are great...as you say sometimes a picture can say a thousand words.
Great post mate, bubble will surly pop, it's not a matter of if but when.
Then those poor fool that bought shitty 350m2 blocks for 300k+ will be raging.
Thank you @tomekkk for your comments on the post. The pack mentality is somewhat of an ingrained primal characteristic of ours. When the tide goes out, those without clothes will be revealed.
What a great article. Reminds me of Nancy Pelosi's famous statement "We have to approve it (obama care) before we can read it!!!" We also had a similar experience when looking to buy a new van. The dealer said we had to negotiate the price and sign up before taking a test drive. They wanted to make sure we were serious! ARE YOU SERIOUS? we said. Needless to say, we bought from another dealer. We live in Canada and are seeing the same "housing bubble" here - already at the point of deflating. Your research is appreciated by this Steemer. Steem On. (Hope you'll give my new blog a check out). I'm now a follower.
Thank you for the feed back @sharingandcaring. The Australian and Canadian economies share similarities and certainly share housing pressures. You're right, the best thing to do is avoid embedding yourself in an obviously flawed situation. I'll certainly check out your blog and thanks again.
Just found you from @cheekybuggy #resteem - Unfortunately this will have a domino effect. It wont be localize, just like in 2008.
Thanks kindly for the resteem @surgewisdom. Thanks to those such as you, @thejohalfiles, @fyrstikken and others, this important content has a chance of reaching those who are most likely to be helped by it.
I know good people who are, but for want of the appropriate perspective, set to suffer horribly. In or out of the market, I suspect we will all feel it.
I have now resteem , it was @cheekybuggy whom did the original resteem.
I've been following Gregory Mannarino @marketreport for a long time on YouTube and more recently on Steemit. I wonder if he has some specific recent analysis on the situation with housing.
Here is an article on reuters today you maybe interested in amigo
By Swati Pandey
SYDNEY, June 1 (Reuters) - Houses prices in Australia's capital cities slipped for the first time in 1-1/2 years in May as demand appeared to cool off in Sydney and Melbourne, a sign that tighter lending restrictions were beginning to bite.
Property consultant CoreLogic said its index of home prices for the combined capital cities fell 1.1 percent in May, the weskest monthly result since November 2015, and compared with a gain of 0.1 percent in April.
Annual growth in overall prices slowed to 8.3 percent from 11.2 percent in April. Home values in Sydney eased 1.3 percent - the first fall since December 2015 while prices in Melbourne inched 1.7 percent lower.
The results come after dramatic gains in both the cities over the second half of 2016 and early 2017.
A slowdown will be welcome news for the Reserve Bank of Australia which is worried about a debt binge by households and the impact on overall consumer spending in the economy.
A sustained softening in price growth would vindicate steps adopted by regulators in recent months to take some of the heat off the housing market amid concerns that speculation in property could ultimately hurt consumers, banks and the economy. out from the Australian Prudential (LON:PRU) Regulatory Authority (APRA) this week showed lending to home buyers slipped in the March quarter to its lowest level in a year, with growth in both owner-occupier and investor segments slowing.
The move follows the banking watchdog's decision this year to tighten standards on investment and interest-only loans to try and cool the market. Banks themselves have been raising mortgage rates.
Interest-only loans fell nearly 15 percent in the March quarter, APRA data shows.
"We havent called the peak of the market yet. We want to see more data, we don't want to jump in too early," said Cameron Kusher, head of research Australia at CoreLogic.
Cameron Kusher has a sense of humour: "We haven't called the peak of the market yet. We want to see more data, we don't want to jump in too early".
I don't think there's much risk of that. A combined capital index fall of 1.1% in 1 month is significant.
Yes it is, I have spoken to many people over the years that try and tell me that real estate always goes up, I have to remind them of the fact that Tokyo is still after 30 odd years is still only 25% of where it was
I've definitely heard the "property always goes up" mantra before. The fact is that if there existed an asset class that never declined in value, there woukd be no other asset classes. Where would the market for equities, bonds, forex etc be if there was no chance of loss in housing?
Great point.
Agent: "JUST SHUT UP AND GIVE ME YOUR MONEY!"
Exactly right @ericarthurblair. It was a surreal experience.