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RE: Is Left-Wing Libertarianism Viable?

in #anarchy7 years ago (edited)

Or maybe because human empathy and worldview has changed throughout the millenia.

Actually it's the government that arrests voluntary sex participants (prostitution), while in most cases let's the rapists go free (like in Europe with some of the migrants).

So the government doesn't do a good job preventing violence (hello, they are doing it), but also it does inflict a lot of violence on it's own.

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Pointing out that the current system is imperfect does nothing to prove yours is better.

If you think human empathy has improved then prove it. Difficulty: Donald Trump just got elected with promises like killing the families of everyone associated with ISIS and building a wall the prevent people from leaving an impoverished region.

Well he got elected with a 40% population voting for him, and it's not like the population had a choice right?

I mean he came up with 100 different promises and only 1 of those were the middle-eastern problems, so could it be that the population elected him for the other 99 promises?

Usually policies come in a giant package, and you might only like 1 thing in that package but the other 99 are also shoved down your throat in an election. So quite possibly the voters didn't have a chance to vote on every single issue and voted in an entire policy package.

This is why I think direct democracy is superior consensus method, because you can vote on every single issue, and not have to tolerate things that you don't like for 4 years.


Need to point out to you that Hitler also won the election with only 40% of the population voting for him?

Need to point out to you that Hitler also won the election with only 40% of the population voting for him?

This is very much on point. The comparisons between Trump and Hitler began even before the primaries were over. In fact, Trump made very few actual promises and left things pretty ambiguous with everyone trying to figure out what actual plans he had. His entire campaign centered around ISIS, Mexicans, and repealing Obamacare.

His campaign earned him endorsements from groups like the KKK, a white supremacist organization, and other Nazi groups in the US.

And yes, the people did have choices. As a libertarian you probably get most of your information from libertarian sources, but from everything I've seen libertarian and anarchist news sources are pretty much conservatives from a political angle... meaning that they all work their hardest to demonize liberals/Democrats. For instance this radio host stating Democrats are "Children of Satan." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/democrats-children-of-satan_us_5947325ce4b0f15cd5bc501c

So aside from Clinton actually being a very good choice for President, there was an actual Libertarian candidate.

So yes Trump only got 40% of the population to vote for him (if not less) by spouting Nazi-like rhetoric and earning the endorsements white supremacists.

That's still 40% of the population who either actively wanted Trump to kill Muslim children and kick Mexicans out of the country, or who were at least accepting enough of those plans to vote for him.

This is why I think direct democracy is superior consensus method, because you can vote on every single issue, and not have to tolerate things that you don't like for 4 years.

Except that's not true. We've had this discussion before, and you want a consensus of something like 97%... which would, at the very least, leave 3% of people tolerating policies they don't like indefinitely. Moreover you'll probably never get that high of a consensus on anything, so what you'll actually have is 90% of people tolerating things they believe should be illegal like murder or rape.

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