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In involuntary collectivism you get a bullet in the head if you step out of line because it's not collectivism, it's just aggressive and up front human farming.
So no, you're beating around the bush as it's clear what I was speaking of.

I agree. Did you think I didn't? you did not differentiate in you original comment between voluntary and coercive collectivism. I just wanted to make that differentiation. Not disagreeing here man.

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