@kafkanarchy84, @mckeever, and @krishool, it's a more complicated issue than most people realize. I am a student of bushcraft and survival. Anyone who studies the skill sets quickly realizes humans cannot survive on plants alone without modern agriculture systems. In other words, it isn't possible to be Vegan and live without those systems. The only reason Vegans can exist today is because of a system that did not exist before and most likely will not exist in the near future.
Go out into the wilderness alone in the Northern hemisphere, and see how difficult it would be to get the needed calories to survive. It would not be easy at all. Could you do it in the tropics? Absolutely. In most places on the planet where billions of people currently live? No, you'd starve.
Yeah your right, the Southern Hemisphere can be harsh as well in parts of South America, Australia, and of course Antartica. Humans aren't designed to live in such places, especially in large numbers without access to advanced technology or relying on unnatural diets and ways of living to sustain themselves. The eskimos come to mind as a certain population who've done this and they have some of lowest life expectancies in the world.
The solution? Correct the original problem. Don't live in these places; unless of course you are willing to be dependent on industrialization or live as cave men did.
Agreed! I stockpile a lot of food here in Virginia because of the winter, but I'd much rather live in a place like Costa Rica or Panama for year round food. :)
I'm not talking about animal meat production of course. I'm talking about turning diesel fuel into food. That process has allowed millions of humans to be alive today that would not be alive without it. Again, I'm all for people deciding what they want to eat, but it is a complicated system and not easy unless you live in a tropical or other place that allows year round plentiful plant growth.
No, it's a video of Krishool dissecting Larken's argument. Would be cool to see a live debate someday.
Larkens too intelligent to have a public debate on that. It'd be like arguing for flat earth on a space station overlooking our planet.
@kafkanarchy84, @mckeever, and @krishool, it's a more complicated issue than most people realize. I am a student of bushcraft and survival. Anyone who studies the skill sets quickly realizes humans cannot survive on plants alone without modern agriculture systems. In other words, it isn't possible to be Vegan and live without those systems. The only reason Vegans can exist today is because of a system that did not exist before and most likely will not exist in the near future.
@finnian This is a misinformed idea, read my post above.
Go out into the wilderness alone in the Northern hemisphere, and see how difficult it would be to get the needed calories to survive. It would not be easy at all. Could you do it in the tropics? Absolutely. In most places on the planet where billions of people currently live? No, you'd starve.
Yeah your right, the Southern Hemisphere can be harsh as well in parts of South America, Australia, and of course Antartica. Humans aren't designed to live in such places, especially in large numbers without access to advanced technology or relying on unnatural diets and ways of living to sustain themselves. The eskimos come to mind as a certain population who've done this and they have some of lowest life expectancies in the world.
The solution? Correct the original problem. Don't live in these places; unless of course you are willing to be dependent on industrialization or live as cave men did.
Agreed! I stockpile a lot of food here in Virginia because of the winter, but I'd much rather live in a place like Costa Rica or Panama for year round food. :)
Plenty of vegans live without modern animal agriculture. The majority of land animals are herbivores.
I'm not talking about animal meat production of course. I'm talking about turning diesel fuel into food. That process has allowed millions of humans to be alive today that would not be alive without it. Again, I'm all for people deciding what they want to eat, but it is a complicated system and not easy unless you live in a tropical or other place that allows year round plentiful plant growth.
I currently do not live in such a place by the way.