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RE: Anarchy and Compassion
PJ lived in an era and place where homesteading was not the primary basis for property claims. When property rights are derived from government grants, property is indeed theft. However, under homesteading, land ownership is under the same principle as shoe ownership. And in the US, government has always sought to convert homesteading into a government grant. This usurpation does not negate the principle.
property is indeed NOT theft.
If I build something...it's mine.
And if you build something in order to trade it for something else, it's yours until you trade, and then the thing you traded it for is yours instead. No one else has a higher claim.
exactly right.
HOWEVER...it seems that we're all getting richer and richer.
although I didn't build the steel mill, or mine the ore, or work the metal, I bought the saw.
I can use it to cut wood (which I didn't fell the tree, mill the wood...etc)
There's a bunchaton of added wealth from legacy technology pretty much free for anyone to use...THAT's not theft.
That's the beauty of the decentralized free market with its division of labor.
yup..and the exponential advance of technology is making us ALL much richer.
That's an interesting point.
When profit is removed from the equation nobody needs to steal to get ahead and property will be secured by a general agreement to ask for things rather than to employ hooks and crooks, imo.
Currently the body politics accepts that some will be sheep and some would be wolves, the 'education' system has reinforced this since time immemorial, since the first two men decided it was easier to hit people with sticks than to farm.
PJ's philosophy failed to win the world, some of that is attributable to the masses being largely illiterate, or too poor to have books.
In the defense of the anarchists from the last two centuries Walmart was not available to serve as the backbone of regime change.
Today, and on any given Tuesday, the workers can simply keep working, but stop paying, and all this globalist crap comes to an end, but they won't, mostly because they have been dumbed down to the point that they recognize slavery as freedom, imo.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/personal-incredulity
Profit cannot be removed from any equation. Value is subjective, and voluntary exchange is mutually beneficial. Even original appropriation of natural resources for immediate use is profitable to the individual as proven by his value of the result of such labor. Reducing profit to a monetary accounting term clouds rational thinking rather than revealing any real truth. I covered the matter of value, prices, and trade in more depth in a previous post.
And no, that previous comment was not an example of the personal incredulity informal fallacy.
So, tell me, Jacob, can the world exist without crapitalism?
I do believe it is time to return the favor:
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/loaded-question
Define your terms. The post makes a clear distinction between different opposing concepts people like to conflate under the term "capitalism," and you completely ignored the distinction between property claims through homesteading/exchange and government grant.
Society functions best through recognizing and respecting the universal and reciprocal spheres of individual authority. Property, trade, and profit all have a valid and beneficial place within this framework. The State corrupts everything good, and seeks to twist it. You appear to recognize only the corruption and refuse to acknowledge the core principle beneath it.
I thought I had conceded to you that with crypto displacing fiat the distinctions may become academic.
That being said, even in a crypto environment, the havenots clean the toilets and the haves eat caviar.
If you can explain to me how hereditary wealth is mitigated against, voluntarily, so that people that have enough money to never work are not at an advantage to those born poor I might give your 'version' of crapitalism a chance, but as it is now, wage slavery continues in your utopia, as far as I can tell.
I'm new to this logical fallacy thing, I get the strawman, but not the loaded question, if you could elucidate your position a little, perhaps I can understand what you are driving at?