Profit

in #anarchy6 years ago (edited)

The term profit is a source of contention whenever economics are discussed. To the socialist, profit deprives the worker who is being exploited by a greedy capitalist expropriating from "the full value of the worker's labor." To the average American "capitalist" armchair theorist, profit is the reward for being a savvy businessman. Both are wrong.

A voluntary exchange can only occur when both parties perceive a benefit to the exchange. This applies to kids trading baseball cards, a pure barter economy, and the market of prices and monetary transactions alike.

Value is a subjective perception of goods and services, not an intrinsic property. People can widely value those intrinsic properties at a generally-accepted level, but this still does not negate the fact that value exists solely in the minds of individuals making value judgements. Prices on the market, whether in barter requests or monetary values, are an offer to make an exchange that is believed to be beneficial. These offers can be accepted, negotiated, or rejected.

As such, profit is essentially the reward for serving the wants of others, and both parties perceive a profit in a voluntary exchange in order for it to occur in the first place. The market economy is just a decentralized information network that links people who wish to make myriad exchanges in an impossibly complex web so they can all profit according to their respective value scales and provide the goods and services other people value.

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Myopic focus on the monetary side of an exchange can only be deliberate blindness to the value perceived by the other party in the exchange, and can only result in a skewed perspective. In the case of employment, this is fundamentally an offer of payment in exchange for labor. The employee need not invest up front in the resources of production, and does not hold any personal risk should the business falter. These have value, even if they are never expressed in monetary terms. The evil capitalists who made initial investments and accepted risk in hope of obtaining future benefits that may not even occur are being exploited by the employee at least as much as the employee's immediate labor is being exploited by the employer. It is a mutually-beneficial exchange, whether some outside observer agrees or not. One side may profit monetarily, but the other side profits in time preference, avoidance of initial investment, and other non-monetary factors alongside the wages.

However, this is not to say the modern corporate status quo is a bedrock of virtue and benevolence. A corporation is a government-granted legal status with special privileges and immunities in government courts. Many corporations rely on government to subsidize their operations, drown competitors in regulatory burdens, establish international trade rules to their benefit, and otherwise impose violence upon the market of voluntary exchanges. The United States in particular is often an especially egregious example of un-free markets, where every stage of production for every good and service is taxed, regulated, and licensed. Government is the unjust profiteer, and the corporations with the clout to become cronies of the political system use that power to plunder others. This is not a consequence of free markets, and without protectionism from the government, these bloated bureaucracies would collapse under competition. Profits from politics are proof of plunder, not evidence of economic benefit.

When profit in general is condemned, it reveals economic ignorance. When specific profits are called out as unjust, it may be a righteous accusation against political plunder. Don't automatically assume all profit is inherently corrupt, but don't assume that condemnation of profits is automatically communist bullshit either. There is a much more nuanced view than the extremes with which we are usually presented in public discourse from the "left" and from the "right."

Do you disagree? Civil and constructive comments are welcome below.

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I absolutely agree. We're always presented with a false dichotomy of the dirty capitalist pig or the infinitely virtuous entrepreneur of Ayn Rand's wet dreams, but the lines aren't so clear.

No human has ever proposed that dichotomy

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You literally just asserted the former. Ayn Rand asserts the later as he specifically stated. And it is a false dichotomy.

No real person cares about Ayn Rand lol

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Perhaps you should explore outside your ideological echo chamber. While I don't agree with everything she has written, she does have some ideas worth exploring, and there are people who do take her seriously.

I am an entrepreneur so you know I am concerned with profit. One of the most important things I have learned as such is ‘a dollar is a dollar.’ Seems simple enough but you take it for granted.

Anyhow, profit can mean money made on the backs of the underpaid employees and overcharged customers. It happens.

Profits can also mean the ability for a small business person to provide for their family, build the business and employ more people.

Humans are humans and all we should be focusing upon is making sure is we are spending our money in the businesses that are parts of our own communities.

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Freer markets with more competition means more consumer choice and more employee options, both of which reduce the odds for a successful business built on real exploitation. That is why the politically-connected preach the market out of one side of their mouths while whispering in the ears of politicians for protectionism out the other.

Why is this in the anarchy tag when it has nothing to do with anarchy and is just pro-extortion capitalist pig nonsense lmfao

Profit is power and power is not anarchist.

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Anarchy means, "no rulers." That means people are free to choose association by means you may not personally approve. Could you kindly address the actual arguments I made describing the subjective nature of value, the mutually beneficial effects of voluntary exchange, and the many non-monetary aspects of value assessment in the employee-employer relationship before offering a blanket condemnation?

Allow me to offer a small-scale illustration. Suppose I buy a lawn mower and a string trimmer, and then offer a wage to someone else in exchange for helping me operate these machines. He is exploiting my prior investment, and he is owed the agreed wage whether my landscaping business succeeds or not. I need to find clients, maintain the machines, ensure gas is on hand, etc. and this is hardly a negligible set of tasks.

On a fundamental level, we are making a mutually-beneficial voluntary exchange. There is no ruler. And even a large factory operation is just a scaled-up version of this same principle. You clearly did not read the distinction I made between this process, and the system of corporations intertwined with government. The former does not lead to the latter as a natural causal chain. Government intervention in the market is always destructive, and utterly antithetical to the concept of a free market, even though this corporatist collusion and the free market are alike termed "capitalism."

There is no anarchy when people have power over each other. State dissolves into rulers and leaders based on monetary value alone. There are better ways to make sure we all get what we need and what we want than capitalism

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An offer to make an exchange isn't inherently a power play. It is in fact recognition of the liberty and autonomy of the other party.

Governments never arose as you describe with accumulation of wealth resulting in political power. It has always been organized crime using real extortion and violence instead of voluntary exchange as a means to wealth, and using the mythology of The State for a veneer of legitimacy to their racket. The market process does not reinforce, support, or lead to government. If it did, you wouldn't see governments interfering at every step and corporate cronies lobbying for special protections and privileges.

As long as there are unequal amounts of wealth between people, it will become a power imbalance with just a short amount of time. You can have voluntary exchange without capitalism

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People have unequal value scales, time preferences, ambition, and capabilities. Inequality to some degree is a fact of life, and you cannot mandate material equality without betraying the principle of no rulers.

As I said on the main post, the term "capitalism" is commonly used to describe mutually-exclusive ideas, and we need to use rational distinctions instead of dismissive shorthand labels when discussing ideas like this.

Barter is direct exchange. Monetary transactions are indirect exchange, but not fundamentally different.

Absent government monopolization, money is just a widely-accepted market commodity used for exchange value as well as its other properties, e.g. gold and silver, or now a new technology of a blockchain ledger for recordkeeping. It is not inherently corrupting, and the fact that some may have more than others is not problematic from an honest anarchist perspective.

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