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have you heard the phrase 6 to one a half dozen to another? i could go around saying little catch phrases but you are just avoiding the question. when does one gain or lose right?

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began when the collective decided that it was your right?

"Decide" implies conscious thought and intention, the complete opposite of what I was talking about. What you are asking is a loaded question.

Okay maybe we are having a miss understanding here. Let me clear this up. What is a right that exist now that wasn’t a right before? If you think of anything then let me know what changed to make that thing that was not a right into a right.

What is a right that exist now that wasn’t a right before?

The question is fundamentally malformed. It's not a matter of a specific point in time. It is a question of the origins of rights and morality in general.

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