On Borders and Anarchist Nationalism

in #anarchy9 years ago

The fighting rages on between “anarchists” and anarchists. How will we ever move forward?

Since the election of soon-to-be President Donald Trump on November 8th, a strange (or familiar?) phenomenon has appeared within some anarchist circles. There appears to be a debate about borders and whether they ought to be “open” or “closed.” I must admit that this is somewhat surprising to me – to hear people calling themselves “anarchists” while also arguing entirely statist positions, admittedly within the context of statism.

This makes no sense to me, so let me elaborate a bit on what I’m seeing.

States and Their Borders

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One of the first principles of anarchism that I assumed all anarchists agreed on is this:

Coercive government (the “state”) is immoral and illegitimate.

Anarchists want to abolish the state, or to at least see it fail and collapse. From whatever perspective they’re viewing the actions of the state, it is agreed that the state is detrimental to a free, prosperous society. Taxes, wars, drug laws, licensing, border enforcement – these are all things where a state has no legitimate authority. So, why is there even a debate about borders and why they should be open or closed? As an anarchist, it is indeed a strange topic for debate.

From what I have gathered, the argument goes something like this:

The state exists. Since the state exists and will continue to exist into the foreseeable future, we must decide on whether we prefer the state’s borders to be opened or closed. This preference should be based on how it affects us as individuals and taxpayers of the state in question.

The first thing that comes to mind is – what anarchist would argue a position like this? What anarchist that truly understands the nature of coercive government and the subjective value/preferences of individuals would make an argument about accepting a state as the given and making claims about what one’s preferences ought to be? This type of argument is not based on any anarchist principles or philosophy that I’ve seen.

Yes, you can argue about what you prefer as an individual anarchist, but the legitimacy of your position depends on whether or not your solution is consistent with your anarchist philosophical principles. So, let’s take a brief look at the two “solutions” proposed.

Closed Borders

The argument here is that, as individual property owners and taxpayers, closed borders should be your first preference. Closing the state’s borders will protect your property and your “investment” (taxes – or, wealth stolen from the state) from foreign invaders.

From any anarchist perspective, this is absurd. Arbitrary claims of geographical boundaries are illegitimate. Impeding free movement is illegitimate. Taxes are illegitimate. The state itself – which is nothing more than violent coercion – is illegitimate. So, how can an anarchist that allegedly opposes all of these things on principle suddenly claim that the first preference ought to be for all of these things to exist or continue to exist?

A closed border necessitates a state – and a more powerful one at that. It would require (more and stricter) laws to try to prevent individuals from crossing the arbitrary borders. It would require (further) impeding one’s right to travel freely. It would require (more) personnel and (more) equipment. It would require (more) taxation.

More coercive government, more stolen wealth, less freedom. This is not an anarchist solution. This actually should not be the preference of an individual who values liberty and opposes statism – even if we are to assume that statism is here to stay. Theft and violence should never be the more preferable option. If that is your preferred choice, then you’re likely not an anarchist.

Well, yeah, but we’re talking about “ordinal” preferences.

Good for you. I’m talking about anarchy. Your ordinal preferences for statist polices don’t apply.

Open Borders

The argument for open borders – according to those claiming that closed borders should be preferred – is that opening a state border is equally oppressive, only the oppressed are the private landowners and taxpayers instead of everyone. This position requires one to assume that every person entering the society with the open borders is only there to take advantage of the wealth amassed by property owners and to drain the state’s welfare coffers.

They say that preferring open borders actually requires an appeal to the state to control those borders. Practically speaking, an “open border” stance is a rejection of arbitrarily defined and controlled state borders. So, preferring that the state does not violently control such arbitrary lines in the dirt on unowned land is not an appeal for the state to control arbitrary lines in the dirt on unowned land. In other words – to try to equate no border enforcement with violent border enforcement is absolutely ridiculous.

It is further argued that the open borders will drain property owners and taxpayers of their wealth by not only increasing the size of the state for keeping the borders open (which is a bizarre twist of reality itself), but by also increasing the size of welfare programs and moving the state more towards collectivist ideologies due to the influx of those seeking free handouts. All of this assumes that large amounts of people will move into said geographical area, that they will be adherents to collectivist ideologies, and that they will be poor and wanting handouts.

All in all, the stance against open borders relies on assumptions about behaviors that are then opposed in order to state the closed border preference – which would violently prevent such undesirable people from entering “their” land. And the purpose of all of this is to allegedly protect the solvency of the state and those who pay taxes. Rather than maintain the opposition to the illegitimate welfare distribution of the state – and the state itself – that principled position is tossed out for some sort of pragmatic nationalism.

Taxes are bad. Arbitrary borders are bad. Restricting or impeding the right to travel is bad. Violent coercion is bad. The state is bad.

A violently coercive state that increases taxes and its authority and restricts or prevents travel across its arbitrary borders in order to protect its taxpayers and continue existing is...

Good?

No. Not if you’re an anarchist.

Speaking of Nationalism...

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This debate about borders either began with the nationalist vs. globalist argument, or it has simply morphed into that. I don’t care enough to look into it, but I do want to point out the absurdity of this argument as well.

There seems to be an argument that nationalism is preferable to globalism because it’s much easier to resist and take down a government in a smaller geographical area than in a larger one – that governments in larger areas are more oppressive than those in smaller ones. Again, this is just another poor argument that ignores principles and reality.

First of all, both nationalist and globalist statism is immoral and illegitimate. Trying to draw a meaningful distinction between them is just a waste of time. And it’s also outside the realm of any practical anarchist argument. Both should be opposed on principle.

Which do you prefer? Coercive nationalism, or coercive globalism?

Neither. Why are you even asking? Is this a real thing? As an anarchist, do I really need to choose? How stupid.

Well, you should prefer nationalist coercive government because it’s smaller and easier to control or resist.

Oh, really? So, you’re telling me that the Canadian government is more oppressive and harder to control or resist than the North Korean government? That the Australian government was more oppressive or harder to resist than Nazi Germany? Size has nothing to do with it, neither in geographical area nor population. So, no – nationalism is not “better” by default. There’s absolutely no need to draw a distinction between nationalism or globalism based on the geographical size of their influence.

Just for the sake of argument, let’s assume that the choice is between a globalist libertarian/minarchist state or several dozen nationalist totalitarian states. Which would you prefer? A local totalitarian dictatorship or global libertarianism? If you would prefer the local dictatorship because it’s smaller, then you’re probably not a very smart person and you’re surely not “pragmatic.”

What Happened to Principles?

Principles ostensibly go out the window when people are jockeying for position in social media. When there is an influx of new potential readers and followers due to further state shenanigans and disenchantment with politics, there seems to be an immediate response to this that involves appealing to the statist tendencies of these new readers and followers. But softening one’s stance on anarchist principles and appealing to these statist notions defeats the entire purpose of anarchist ideas and principles in the first place.

The need to be loved and to increase one’s following in social media apparently trumps principles and integrity. When people are disenchanted and angry, that’s the time to throw the wrench into their inconsistent ideological principles and give them an alternative. That’s not the time to pretend to be an alternative while simply reinforcing their statist, nationalist beliefs just because you want them to be a fan.

So, if you’re one of those anarchists who decided to take up the statist argument about borders and nationalism and are now fighting with other anarchists about their preferences...

Well, I honestly don’t even know where to go with that. Read that sentence again and perhaps you’ll see what the problem is. If you’re an anarchist, you know what the solution is not. Let’s all start over from there, shall we?

Or maybe you want to tell me how stupid and wrong I am. Do as you please. The comments are open.


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I'm an Anarcho-Voluntaryist and here's how I view this situation with the borders. I don't know about America, but here in the UK we have a serious problem with Muslim immigration and the biggest problem we have is not necessarily open borders itself or the lack of immigration control but the fact that we are not allowed to defend ourselves.

Since there is such a bias against the local population ( 'Britains' ) from the likes in particular of the anti-capitalist left who basically hate all white people and western society that allows us to even have the ability to speak freely about such issues and express ourselves in the first place it has become almost impossible to defend ourselves against any genuine fanatics that would try and harm us.

There was an extreme case in a town called Rotherham where a gang of Muslim men actually went and raped almost 1000 young girls over an extremely long period. The reason they got away with this was because the police wouldn't arrest them because they were too scared of being labelled racists. The local council also turned a blind eye to it all even though they knew exactly what was going on, so because the government refused to act these girls suffered, not only that, the communities wouldn't be able to fight back because in the end they would of course be arrested for being 'violent' towards the Muslim gangs.

This is an extremely common problem in Europe and the simple fact is that it is happening not only because the governments refuse to do anything because they're too scared of the race baiting anti-capitalists and their Muslim allies but also because the civilian populace are not allowed to defend themselves.

It wasn't even confirmed whether this was a migrant attack or not, but to illustrate the problem this girl went and defended herself with pepper spray which is absolutely none lethal, but because it was illegal to even own one in that country she ended up getting fined while the government did absolutely nothing to help her.

https://www.rt.com/news/330264-denmark-girl-rapist-fine/

The reason there are Anarchists like me supporting closed borders is simply this, self-preservation. We are not allowed to defend ourselves against anybody that tries to attack us and there is a definite and provable trend of higher crime rates and a rising Muslim population in particular in our countries.

If you were to at the very least let us own a pistol and then open up the borders and simplify the law to say that you are attacked first then you have the right to defend yourself, then I'd say have at it, but as it stands currently, it would be utter suicide.

If you want I can also find you the very detailed police report on Rotherham, the people who make these statements about migrants and so on have definitely not come to an area in the UK in particular that has had a lot of Muslim migration, they are importing their fanaticism and their culture into this country and seem to be bringing in all the problems of the middle east they claim to have fled from with them.

By the way, I won't say which one, for frankly security and personal reasons, but I'm from one of these towns that has a large Muslim population, I see women wearing the Burqa and Hijab here all the time and in some cases I've seen young girls wearing the hijab too which actually manages to piss me off :( they should be able to wear whatever the hell they like, this is a free country and unfortunately you can't know as an outsider whether these girls are doing it by choice or their parents are making them do it.

Sorry for the lengthy post, just detailing my experiences as a British guy on this situation, a lot of people who get into arguments with me about migration are people who have clearly never been to a migrant town let alone lived in one. It seems to me that our governments are determined to shame us into ignoring our own self-preservation instinct and many people who try to shame anybody who shows the slightest concern about immigration tends to live in rich neighbourhoods filled with white people.

A recent example by the way of this type of behaviour is fucking Lily Allen, she comes from a rich white neighbourhood and decided to try shaming the country about being concerned about immigration. She promptly faced a backlash though.

...the biggest problem we have is not necessarily open borders itself or the lack of immigration control but the fact that we are not allowed to defend ourselves.

That is indeed a huge problem. But the solution is not to violently restrict or prevent people from traveling or migrating. The solution would be to restore your right to defend yourself and your own property.

If you're being continuously assaulted by someone because you have no means to defend yourself, the reasonable and most effective solution would be to find a means to defend yourself. The least effective and most unreasonable and violative solution would be to force all other potential abusers to stop traveling or migrating into areas where you may come into contact with them. This would be impossible anyway. Anyone can be a potential abuser, so how does one prevent all interaction between all individuals on the planet? The only way to even try would be to create a massive, unethical and inefficient system to try to guess who the worst potential abusers are, then impose restrictions on them as a group.

No - the best way to prevent abuses would be to not prevent individuals from protecting their life, liberty, and property from those who intend to deprive them of it. The solution is not more state action. The problem here is state intervention, so the solution would be to get rid of the state intervention.

Exactly, it would be the solution to get rid of the state that's causing the problems, but this is a fantasy currently and there is so much resistance to the idea of any reform of self-defence laws and gun ownership in Europe by the left that it could end up causing a civil war if somebody tried to push for change.

So unfortunately, whether you like it or not, closed borders is the only solution currently available to us all. I agree in general principle it is an un-Anarchist thing to do, however this is about survival and simply making sure that dangerous people can't cross over our borders is the best way to keep them from harming us.

The only way your plan could work is if the government was either falling to pieces or rendered completely ineffective. Since the anti-capitalist left has absolutely no intention of letting the local population defend themselves as they wish, it would be total suicide to let them all in and in the UK we'd end up like Germany or Sweden.

It's no more of a fantasy to fight for your actual right to defend yourself than it is to fight for the imaginary authority to prevent others from traveling or migrating to land/property that is not yours.

If it's about survival, then you'd better start fighting for your right to defend yourself, because preventing potential abusers from potentially interacting with you anywhere you go isn't a reasonable solution - and as I said, it can't be done anyway. Take your fight to your government to address the self-defense issue instead of fighting for something that doesn't resolve the self-defense issue.

Or, you can always ignore their stupid laws and do what you need to do to defend yourself anyway.

I don't see a problem with the discussion so long as no one is advocating for the state to take action. All conversations I've had have been about which is worse. Neither position is preferable to no state, and no state is, of course, the most preferable scenario.

Discussing which policy is worse does not lend legitimacy to the state. Advocating for one or the other, on the other hand, does.

Actually, I'd like to say how well done this is. Very well reasoned and presented. As an anarchist (small a) I'd like to state my opinion...love be damned, the only thing that matters is principles.

As an anarchist, I think that principles are really all we have to go on. The state has essentially monopolized action and influence through the "normal" social realms. If we're just going to concede to their power and arguments, then what's the point?

I'll not concede...My biggest concern other than state hegemony is that Anarchy is something that must be earned. It depends on personal responsibility or else all you have is chaos and "the Law of the Jungle." When seeing the post-election riots and the self-proclaimed "anarchists" involved I can see that they: 1) Only want anarchy that comes with state benefits (???) 2) Don't deserve anarchy because they lack self-discipline and courage.

When seeing the post-election riots and the self-proclaimed "anarchists" involved...

Those aren't anarchists. They're mostly just violent agitators of the collectivist variety. They would very much love a state that "takes care of their needs."

Exactly what they are! Just like the Weather Underground back in the 60's...collectivists posing as anarchists! Anarcho-syndicalists.

I disagree with the premise of this post.

A person needs to set boundaries. If they do not, they get walked all over by friends and foes alike. They need to set emotional boundaries, and they need to set physical boundaries.

Property rights are well recognized as essential to a society. However, we also need to recognize what is property.
You have a solid fence around your 4 acre farm, you are well within your rights to defend it from all invaders.
You have a few "no trespassing signs" around your 10,000 acre wooded, undeveloped mountain. You don't really have anything showing ownership, nor do you have the means to defend it.

So, borders are essential to the human and to the human groups. And they need to be defended. Letting someone(s) walk all over you is not good.

Our current idea of borders is that we want to claim all the land around us so that others do not claim the land. Most of the land on The U.S./Canadian border has no one there. It doesn't belong to anyone. However, long ago some governments got together and agreed this is our mutually exclusive edge.

So, our problem really is with what we call a border. We need to claim the land we are actually using and defend it. That is our borders. What the govern-cement calls borders isn't really a border. It exists no where but on maps.

When people get to the point of stopping the land grab (I need to grab it all before my neighbor grabs it) and start working on the piece of land that they are able to control, manage, and use then maybe we will actually see an answer to this question.

I disagree with the premise of this post.
A person needs to set boundaries.

I'm afraid you missed the premise of the post. This was not about personal boundaries or even protecting private property. It was about state control and violent enforcement of arbitrarily-defined state borders - and pretending that a preference for this is somehow in line with anarchist philosophy.

What the govern-cement calls borders isn't really a border. It exists no where but on maps.

Exactly. So there's no need to pretend that this is legitimate, then pretend that enforcement of these borders ought to be preferable to not enforcing them.

Forget open borders or closed borders. It's all about No Borders, man.

How can you have borders when the world is a vampire?

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