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RE: Constitutionalists: 1 + 1 = 3 (Part 1 of 2)

in #anarchy7 years ago

Tough one for me to read, but it would be wrong not to hear this out. As you can see from my profile pic, I have an aligience to a constitutionally based cause. I won't bore you with mu particular brand. I do not disagree with anything you have said here. The way people hold a torch for something created by the very institution that has enslaved them is nothing but hypocritical, I have to admit this. My own stance is that the constitution of the UK gives us a way out of the system(article61) and once that is done, then it would give us a chance to allow folk like yourself to come up with a better way of living and a new style of society. It is just a tool, a lawful instrument to dismantle the system. The key to the exit may have been made by our oppressors but if it is a way of clearing the deck then maybe that is better than just hoping people will learn to work around the matrix. For many people like you and I, living a self sufficient lifestyle is a great step forwards(less is more) but while the matrix exists it will act like a black hole and suck more victims into it. If the constitution can help us remove the rot, then those who chose to use it should be respected for that at least. I do get the feeling however, that my own style of constitutional loyalty differs from those in the US. The group which I support has some very traditional patriots and when I apply your article to those individuals, I begin to relate. If we just try to starve the beast by ignoring it and working around I believe we may leave too many innocents behind. I love your work, especially the video you did on how to get your points across to people, without being a dick(hope I'm doing OK?) But with the research I have done about forced adoptions and how it is linked to human trafficking has shown me that we must remove these scumbags from power and lock them away for good. Once that is done, its over to you guys. As I said at the start, bud. Your post is spot on but just a little harsh maybe...Love your work brother! Keep on keeping on!

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Or your oppressors gave you a fake "key," which will get you nothing, but will forever keep you trying that avenue. Sorry to be blunt, but that's what all "political" action is--campaigning, petitioning, voting--it's all a game to keep the subject class powerless while giving them something pointless to TRY to fix things with. Lastly, the solution is not to remove certain people from the throne. The solution is to remove the throne. And that depends upon what people believe, not on politics.

That is not our approach. We do not recognise the crown or any of its agents. Voting is pointless because the debate is being cast by a treasonous authority that have continued to rule after being told to leave, so they have no right to ask you to vote. As I said, I agree, when it comes to your views on politics, it is all designed to waste time I get that. But how can we remove the throne without entering their realm? Any kind of documented law is a human interpretation of the natural laws of nature. The more time has gone on the more un-natural laws have been added, which cloud the more honest parts of these documents. The further you go back in time, the closer you get to people living within relatively peaceful societies. Magna Carta is just the Christian version of natural law and it has its own little add-ons that seek to benefit the Christian community. Nature law, in this instance, has been tainted by religion and politics.(Later this was further diluted with the creation of parliament, who then re-wrote Magna-Carta, to further suit their needs)
Every nation has a similar story and to me it shows that when humans live together, they always create 'laws' or rules to live by and to keep the peace. It appears this is almost instinctive, but something, a long time ago, really changed the balance of thing, to the benefit of evil. Whether it was the creation of property or just horrific coincidence, something has changed and the idea of controlling those who live around you has prevailed. The 'key' I hold is one from over 800 years ago, from when people lived much like you wish to. In the times of Alfred the great and before the population grew to an extent where written laws were deemed necsesary. To me it seems an unfortunate coincidence that this well-intended deed(the creation of Magna Carta) was done at the same time as the European invasions, which brought along with it, Germanic, Roman law. This style of law goes against everything Natural law stands for and has been eroding the goodness of Magna Carta for the last 8 centuries. It has now been totally replaced with the Puppet show we see today.
All that being said, how does anarchism and volunteerism help those who can't get out of the system, because of debt, or because their kids have been taken from them by the CPS?
I am a big fan of volunteerism and try to promote it myself but it too holds huge contradictions that need to be addressed, if you wish to see your ideal world come to fruition.

"how can we remove the throne without entering their realm?"

I submit that bypassing their institutional control mechanisms wherever possible creates greater personal power. In the end, growing communities that do this, and employ burgeoning technologies to, will eventually enable ignoring assholes to render them obsolete.

I see no alternative but, eventually, war. Since little creates, enforces, and grows such toxic insitutional power as war, that is the very last possibility that should be contemplated, and be avoided until no other means is possible, and has become certain to succeed.

Until then, improving the ratio of your personal, familial, and community assets to, and while decreasing those of your enemies, will maximize this growth in your power.

Good luck!

good comment. much food for thought here. maybe this is the only tool we have. At least folk are generally moving in the right direction, when it comes to our consumerist lifestyle and encroaching police state. Good luck to you bro, however you choose to fight the powers the shouldn't be.

"...these scumbags..."

You'll be infiltrated by all new scumbags, seeking to use you to usurp those whose power they seek.

It is the way of the world.

End the power, and you end the ability of scumbags. Scumbags are largely a symptom, rather than a cause, I think.

YMMV.

That is very true and something we deal with all the time on the Facebook page, that was one of the reasons I stopped using it. The real problem with every group or ideology of a peaceful society, is that they are hampered by the lack of a sustainable plan. It's one thing to hope that, over time, enough of us will change our ways, to make a difference in our group consciousness. But nobody seems to have a plan as to how we deal with psychopaths? They will always exist and they operate by stealth. In a society of peace and unconditional faith in the good will of humans, psychos will rise to the top, and history will repeat. Not much point in criticizing something when your alternative doesn't work either...

I'm not the guy with the answers to this, but to just go off and leave everyone, to live a life of volunteerism, while those who are not fortunate enough to be in a position to do this rot inside the Gulags, is slightly cowardly. I would love to live a life of volunteerism, but that just isn't possible with the way the system gets you from birth. If families do not register their children they have to run and hide or loose their children to the CPS. So you see it isn't as simple as "hey just leave the grid and live by your wits" If your lucky enough to be able to live this way then that's hunky-dory but don't make the mistake of thinking it is as easy for everyone else. Without a way to stop the state-funded brain-washing of our kids, that goes on from the day they are born, then volunteerism is a pipe dream and you damn the majority who are trapped, like myself and many others here in the UK.

Who is "going off and leaving everyone"? This is about ending the existence of ruling class (which the political process absolutely NEVER does). It's not about hiding from them, or running away from them.

But our causes are the same and your article belittles what we are trying to achieve. I feel that your post is directed towards the US constitution and for that your words hold more weight. The D.O.I was derived from Magna Carta, but as MC(1215) was diluted by parliament(Parliament was created around 50 years after the sealing of MC1215) Article 61 was edited out of the later versions, of which the US built its own constitution from. As the DOI came from the diluted version, it has no 'emergency clause' like MC1215 does.

It states clearly that the laws set out in the original Magna Carta can not be repealed and this is the one 'The people' gave their blessing to.
If you had looked further back into the history of constitutional law, then maybe you could see the good in what a lot of 'Constitutionalists' are trying to achieve. I still agree with your post. Most constitutionalists, especially those that you refer to, are chasing ghosts. A spirit of what once was.
I never intended to be dis respectful to you, your work is priceless. But you haven't really answered my question about how we free those who are locked inside the matrix. What is the plan of volunteerism for this? Because if there is no answer. for the sake of my conscience I would rather go my way for now.
Thanks for the time. I appreciate your perspective as it help me stay grounded. There is truth in every message and I just want to keep digging until we come to a real, long term solution. Peace bro and hope the new year treats you well.

I believe that power does not depend on scribbles, rather the point of a sword. Perhaps folks with swords might rally around the Magna Carta.

Sadly, I think those with the swords are already rallied, and not around the Magna Carta, in the UK.

Fortunately for all of us, there is a new technology that might subsume swords altogether. The blockchain has unglimpsed potential to route around censorship, as does the darpanet.

However, as darpanet is being transformed by Gargle, Farkbork, and Twaddle into the greatest propaganda tool the world has ever seen, I fear similar application of C&C to blockchain.

We shall see how things shake out.

You are a wise old owl brother.

Well, I can verify old anyway =p

I will never bleat that it's easy. I just think that eschewing such institutional controls are may be possibly is the best route. We do have to make tradeoffs, and I can't comment on yours.

Perhaps there is a place for disingenuity, but it's not something I am capable of, and frankly, really suck at.

I have lived in the woods, off the land, but didn't do that to my kids.

Better for them, or worse? Dunno, but they did live, so the outcome I needed to happen did happen.

I can't even envision living off the land, as I did in Alaska, in England, or the UK. Can't speak to it.

Knowing that a rational society can potentiate the abolition of institutions designed to enslave is a good step forward, and people who are able to clearly reason can form a core able to recruit those less able to reason, and follow those that reason better.

Regardless of your actual ability to be entirely free, through subterfuge, misdirection, and crypticism it can be better potentiated.

I hope the UK has long the benefit of your insights.

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