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RE: I Want You to be an Anarchist
Yes...but is there a point where there is too much freedom? For example, do you believe a hospital should be allowed to turn away patients in need of emergency care? Should a factory be allowed to pollute a river, and keep the deleterious side effects and their causes hidden from the impacted residents? There are externalities that cause free markets to fail...that is supposed to be the point of government regulation, to a certain extent, to correct for those externalities.
Should they be allowed to turn away patients in need of emergency care? If you don't think so, then you believe in slavery. You believe in forcing someone to perform some task regardless of whether they choose to do it.
Now, do you or I have to like someone who is a doctor and chooses not to help someone in an emergency? No. And thus, almost certainly no hospital would have the policy of turning away someone who is bleeding to death.
If you give people a little credit, it's easier to imagine a world where you don't need violence and slavery to hold everything together. The things you worry about are a bigger worry now under the statist model anyways (I don't remember the last time I saw a river that wasn't polluted). The solution isn't using violence at arbitrary just because you assume the worst or can't imagine how else people would be motivated. That will inevitably lead to an expansion of power. The only real answer is rejecting slavery in principle, and then the collective genius of free people can begin to solve problems.
Slavery? Slavery, as defined, is 1) the state of being a slave, 2) the practice or system of owning salves or 3) a condition compared to that of slave in respect of exhausting labor or restricting freedom. I suppose you're banking on number 3, as this is some sort of restriction of freedom in your book. But the mental state and physical condition of, for example, an African-American slave working on a plantation, and a hospital director who by law cannot turn away patients, are two very different things. There is no comparison to be made. The analogy is disingenuous at best. As far as liking someone who does these things...withholding money or not purchasing from an entity certainly is a means to "police" them. However, this only works when the population has perfect information. Which they do not... Complicating matters is that fact that the entities we are supposed to be regulating with our wallets, have more resources and information than us on how to keep information FROM us.
Personally sir, I think I give people all the credit they deserve. You talk about imagination. I talk about history. The things that I worry about now would have killed us all had regulation not been enacted. The industrial revolution is what polluted the rivers. Not the government. I never advocated for violence being the solution, or a police state...I believe in the population policing themselves, to a certain extent. But the government as an organ and institution of society will never be abolished because it is necessary for us to fulfill our potential as humans. Maybe the day we become telepathic it won't be, but I don't see that happening any time soon...
If you want to use violence to force someone to perform a job, this is technically exactly what slavery is. It's not "disingenuous" of me just because you don't like it. I didn't claim there's any similarity to the mental state of an African-American slave. (This is an anology you're trying to make; you're being disingeuous.)
Ya, obviously it was industrial growth that caused the pollution. It was industrial growth within a statist system. It went horribly. And it still goes horribly today (this is why people wear those smog masks in many cities, and why climate change is a hot topic). You're not making any kind of argument for why government regulation works better than voluntary licensing would work. You're just being the typical statist who thinks that because we don't want to use violence that we don't want any mechanism to regulate and license.
Law and order can happen without violence. (In fact, it can only happen without violence.) I feel sorry for you if you think we need violence to achieve our potential.
Yes you are right. everything has to be reasonable.