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RE: To be or not to be....Controlled.

in #anarchism8 years ago

Limited political representation and choice, limited control over one’s work, limited access to necessities, and a limited pursuit of fulfillment.Nothing meaningful is offered in capitalism.

I disagree with this statement because I probably have a different definition of "capitalism" than you do. I think of capitalism as google defines it:

an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.

There need not be a government for people to operate in a free market and voluntarily decide to save and use capital to flourish while voluntarily entering into labor and service contracts with others. I would go further and say we need not have a "country" or imaginary border defining the monopoly on the use of force within a geographic region for a small group of people.

I think of things in terms of Maslow's Hierarchy of needs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs

The people who do the most to improving well being for the largest group of people are at the top of that hierarchy. We shouldn't try to pull them down, but instead follow their lead and bring more people out of poverty. Taking the monopoly on money creation out of the hands of governments is a step in that direction and Steemit will be part of the peaceful revolution.

I'm upvoting because I enjoy all conversations about Voluntaryism and anarchy. :)

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Do you really think that it's possible to bring people out of poverty and move them up the latter? Like i said in the post...people are greedy.

Watch some Yaron Brooks presentations. "People are greedy" may actually be the reason people do get out of poverty in the first place. Markets create opportunity for people to expand the pie of wealth.

anarchy,as in anarchocapitalism? How will we deal with all the injustices and environmental destruction,weapons industry, child labour,toxic work environments,etc,etc,that happen continously on a global scale,with global capitalism as the main perpetrator? Government will not save us,but neither will letting multinationals have their will,because of a misguided idea of freedom. Capitalism and the state are always cooperating,they are not opposed to each other,that is the neoliberal system in a nutshell.
Btw I am an anarchist,and as most anarchists,an anticapitalist. More concretely,I´m a post scarcity anarchist,in the tradition of Murray Bookchin. You seem more like a right wing libertarian to me.

Post scarcity, to me, will not happen while we are still classified as human. The vast differences in desire and ambition within the human species will always be huge. Some will want to vacation on mars, some will be happy living in a shack. Those differences will lead to vastly different inputs and outputs.

Yes, I agree we have enough resources right now on the planet to food and clothe everyone, but it's a lot more complicated than that. If we tried to unilaterally make everyone the same right now, over all human well-being would go down (IMO), because the inventions and world-changing concepts aren't coming from the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy, but from the top. We'll never advance as a species if we're trying to pull the best of us down, but only if we work to pull the lowest up. To me, that has to be done within a moral society which means via voluntary interactions. The NAP and all that.

environmental destruction

I see government as one of the worst polluters out there. They legitimize it, package it, and sell the privilege. I may be wrong about that, but the corruption level right now is insane.

weapons industry

I'm lump this in with private prisons. They only have one customer: the government. That's not a market, that's a monopoly. Remove the government, and this market will dry up because most people aren't willing to waste a trillion dollars on a plane that doesn't even work.

child labour

From my perspective, I think many people misunderstand some aspects of labor markets historically. It's easy for us to judge others and say "Those sweat shops are bad and you should feel bad! End them now!" without realizing, potentially, within that country, the only alternative might be starvation and death in the fields. I'm not justifying child labor, I'm just saying there's a lot going on and historically different areas have gone through different transitions (agricultural, industrial, post industrial, etc). We should help these processes move along as quickly as possible, but I don't think it's humane to stop them if people suffer long term. (Again, listen to Yaron Brooks on this stuff).

toxic work environments

Quit. In the global Internet economy, there are a lot more options (including blogging on Steemit!) and people aren't locked into dead-end jobs as they have been in the past.

You say "global capitalism" but I say "government created false monopolies." That's where things get messed up, cronyized, etc.

At least, from my perspective.

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