I found it very interesting to listen to the definitions of 'brain-washing' that you both use.

Jonny used the term in a positive way to literally describe washing the brain clean. Jeff used the term in a negative way to describe the effect that government propaganda has upon people.

Could it be, that instead of saying most people are 'brain-washed', it would be better to say they are 'brain-programmed'? The brain-programming is basically identical to how Jeff describes TV programming.

We need to wash our brains from the programming to assist further growth.

Awesome interview, Jeff. Thanks.