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depends on who "they" are ;>

the "normal" moron isnt going to get himself riled up enough to do any more than rob the local electronics or liquor shop when law and order go south

I think you're right. I imagine it's the ones with giant egos and appetites who think they could run more than a street block... I do what I do, but I can't even do a wheel alignment on my own car, for instance...

While I no longer belong, I used to be an Oath Keeper; while they are further down the distrust of government spectrum I am, they are building networks of local resilience...resilience, not resistance ;)

mechanics, food crops specialists, communications, the works.

they are NOT planning a revolution, their view is that there is going to be a collapse sooner rather than later, and they are going to keep their families and nieghbors safe

(during the Ferguson riots, Oath Keepers went to guard local business after the Governors stand down orders, until they were ordered to leave by LE...which they immediately did)

Right, so again, that's fundamentally a version of government, and we are faced with the same problem; "heuristics gone bad," corruptible morality / humans, etc. The cycle continues.

It may be an oversimplification, but it seems to me that the only solution is to somehow change the root desires in the vast majority of us. (613 or 7...) The question is how to arrange it so that each individual ultimately chooses, voluntarily, and because his wisdom leads him.

that's fundamentally a version of government

government is essentially people...

I don't thin we can change human nature, but we can socialize people to behave better...within their own sphere of action; now, across the world, we socialize people to interfere, to make their lives "better"

but then gain, to make the kind of socialization change I speak of, we'd have to interfere with others' lives to "make them better"

there's more than one cycle LOL

Heh! Yah, interfering, to create something, or "make them better," sounds and probably is contradictory. And I've no problem with government, but only with the people who make one/animate one for the wrong reasons. I suppose I was just somewhat redundantly pointing out that the outcome every time they remove the "villains" is more villains doing the same villainy stuff.

I'd say better than interfering would be to take the long view, and for instance, to advocate, or teach and make noble again, lifestyles like marriage, (one of the greatest civilizing forces.) This force alone can teach us so many things from resisting the urge for immediate gratification, to all the various forms of altruism.

It's not for everyone, and no one is to be forced, but as a general social good, ideas such as that are the solution... (imo.)

I suppose I was just somewhat redundantly pointing out that the outcome every time they remove the "villains" is more villains doing the same villainy stuff.

I've got a post that is due for reSteeming about Utopia and Dystopia; fits well with this thought

Good stuff, I look forward to it.

Sorry, must go afk for a while. I hope to remember to reply later...

np. I'm fixing to go offline too. ttyl!

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