RE: Is Haejln Rewarded too much on Steemit?
Have you thought of this from a cultural stand point? As an example, the Chinese have very close, supportive family bonds, but will not help anyone they don't know. This has likely come from living in a dictatorship where you couldn't afford to trust saying the wrong thing to anyone for fear of being imprisoned or worse. So it has likely developed a mentality that you get what you can, however you can, while the going is good, because you don't know how long it will last. Some people don't get the concept of a sharing economy.
Seeing as this is a worldwide platform, not all cultures are going to do things the way we believe they should be done. So are we going to go to war every time something like this comes along?
Flagging, as you say, is not a problem for the right reasons. Was it the descent into name calling that started the retaliation? Or did they feel that they had done nothing wrong within the rules of the site which has allowed for them to make this much money? They could be from a culture that is used to rules and limits being set for them and have no concept of self regulation.
Just some food for thought.
I don't know what culture haejln is from. I have heard he is not Chinese.
I agree 100% that the first one to notice and try to do something is a rude person. His way of "fighting" this problem probably did as much to hurt the effort. Which is why I did not step up earlier.
On the opposite side, @fulltimegeek HAS shown that his is kind, generous and looking to support and grow the Steemit platform. ANd while I can still see how the online Game "WAR" terminology is not the best either, and can turn some off, .......IT IS CATCHY, and maybe what was needed to rally as many as possible in this "FLAGGING INITIATIVE".
Let me ask you, and I know the comparison is unfair, so it is not a comparison.... it is a question about getting involved..... IF you visit another country, and in their culture it is okay to rape women that are alone on the street, would you step in and stop it if you saw this? What if you were visiting that country with your girlfriend and she goes out to buy some wine alone?
My point is only this: just because it may be fine in another culture, doesn't mean that we can't get involved when wrong is being done.
Well now we have multiple perceptions/angles of view... I suggest that it is time to navigate towards a logical and reasonable way to proceed in our actions. Im stating the obvious of coarse. More in reference to the cultural viewpoint made by @life-relearnt and @public-eye. I believe these viewpoints are extremely crucial for us to resolve the situation at hand. Flag War may make things worse off. A petition sent to the Steemit team also @ned seems fair. But also has anyone actually tried to reason with haejin? Maybe we innerstand him first and be supportive to gain a trust?? Some of us make posts direct to his attention in a welcoming manner? Not saying to make a plea or anything. To get in with him and literally become a FRIEND. Coming up with solutions and ideas here lol.
There was an attempt at arbitration, an agreement was made between Haejin and Bernie, the agreement was basically unacceptable to 90% of those who voiced an opinion, but for the sake of a peace it seemed the best we were going to get. The agreement was that Haejin would power up a minimum of 4 of 10 posts per day, showing a commitment to the platform, rather than simply cashing out.
The peace was short lived. Depending on which side you are on, either Bernie broke the peace by goading Haejin, or Haejin broke the peace by doubling down on rewards and taking posts from $200 up to $450 each.
In any event, Haejin and Rancho are not going to be swayed from the rewards outside of being decimating in a flag wars or banned by ned. The latter will not happen, as this is supposed to be a self governing society. This is working exactly the way the system is built. The former is ugly and people will be hurt, and some will leave Steem, but that is how these things are programmed to play out.
Love it or hate it, this is Steem... You either skirt around it, get caught up in it, or get crushed by it.
Yes, again, it would have been nice if a more diplomatic mega whale had entered talks with H and R from the getgo. Maybe it would have went differently (probably not).
But yes, this is Steem. Optimistically hoping that the users rise up and this gets worked out using the flag mechanism that is programmed in.
Thx
Yeah, I see that as a big issue for real. And so far, partly because of the "bad press," there hasn't been a significant rise to put a stop to it.
Hmmm, I see. Well then, I will take no part in any kind of "War" for this. Steemit.com is very promising and to me it is a life investment. Need to up the SP so I can acquire a voting bot and get paid on the daily. And reinvest and do it again and again.
That would be awesome.
I did not perceive the situation as such, until this moment. I know it is a fact many people are not able to see through the eyes of another culture/society. Let alone the person standing next to them lol. What you just stated is highly probable and may be accurate. Thank you for the new angle of perception.
It has, at this point, esculated way beyond the point of turning back and bystanders are getting caught in the cross fire. So I fully understand why FTG it's taking the action he is. The reason I raise the thought is that with the right awareness, this could have been prevented from the start and could be prevented in the future. Like I say, we are a worldwide platform, so these sorts of cultural clashes will continue to appear.
With the analogy of the rape culture, I'll go with that too. If we do our due diligence and make sure we are fully aware of a culture before we put ourselves in a situation which will bring us into conflict with them, then we can choose not to visit a country that rapes in the first place. We can also choose to try and negotiate with them, to see if we can help to make them realise why rape is not the right path, but we are still forewarned and wouldn't send in women to do that negotiating. We can also draw the line in the sand and say that within our culture, if anyone chooses to come here, rape is not tolerated and this is the punishment for it. That is also an invitation for any women who wish to escape that culture.
You can not force change on another, but you can offer your opinions and safe haven for the wronged.
We can't know for certain anyone's culture when online, so the Chinese analogy was just an example as it's a well known period. There are plenty of other cultures that are restrictive and have learnt not to trust.
I can only hope for a good outcome from this event and hope that it doesn't become a loss for Steemit of some accounts that I feel are important to the community on here. I count you among them.
Yes, I think you are right about changing people by force. Even if haejln is forced to change his behaviour here on Steemit, it will be unlikely to have changed him. Only then he would maybe go somewhere else to 'do his thing.'
I wish that a whale HAD greeted haejln and tried to speak to him at the beginning. I don't know. Maybe one or two of the witnesses did. Sometimes these things do happen, but we never see or hear about it.
anyway, I too hope the community is not injured much .....
Thx
I gave a reply to @life-relearnt if you'd like to see it.
That is appreciated thank you.
Response acknowledged.👌