Collateral Damage. Wake up Mr. Bernie.

in #abuse7 years ago (edited)

My apologies. Esteem posted the same thing twice.

When I made this alt account, it was for the sole purposes of exposing scammers, spammers and cheaters. However I had to stop posting for some time as personal issues came up which caused me to take a break from steemit detective work for a while. I have a main account (that shall not be named) with about 10k+ SP and the only reason I avoided posting from that was to avoid backlash from people. I did not make this account to make money, but rather to expose those who would harm this forum and let the proper authorities deal with them. I never even upvoted any of my posts from my main account simply because I wanted people to see the posts on this account for what they really are: An Expose'.

I know that by writing this post I will probably be signing by own God damn epitaph but enough is enough. I have been seeing some disgusting and irresponsible behavior from a whale who I used to think was sensible and if anything, this should be a wake up call for them. So I'm going to stop being subtle and give it to everyone straight without holding back.

It is common knowledge that there have been issues between @dan and berniesanders. How these issues began is not something that concerns anyone. But their battle is spilling out at this point and what has disgusted me the most about this is that Mr Bernie Sanders has decided to take it upon himself to harm the ENTIRE steemit community just to satiate his own ego. He has promised to attack all posts that claim to support EOS. And honestly even though it's borderline censorship, the forum here allows it somewhat. If he doesn't like something, he can flag away but the issue is the fact that he hasn't limited himself to just attacking @dan 's posts and comments. What he is doing right now is actually damaging the minnows and the "small guys" as collateral damage. That in my eyes is the biggest sign of cowardice. It's the classic sign of a bully not picking on someone his own size.

You know it's really funny... When you visit his profile, it says the following:

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But tell me how you feel about that statement once you take a look at This Comment Thread

I'm going to break that post down to talk about it for a moment before I move on to other things.

Take a look at the following image:

Lets start with the first issue. This person, @max-infeld, says multiple times that he made a lot of effort in making his post. He is just another nobody like me but he put in his time and effort into making a post. He is just another ordinary steemian like you and me who wants to do nothing more than make content and maybe some side income. Unfortunately he got caught up in this ugly spat between Dan and bernie. What I'm trying to say however that he should never have been the collateral in the first place. What Bernie did was absolutely unprofessional and pathetic. And this is coming from someone who actually thought bernie was professional.

In any case, @max-infeld then requests bernie to fix the downvotes and that he would help him in any way shape or form. What's Bernie's response to that?

"Sorry, that's not how the game is played"

Umm... Excuse me? You mean to tell me that damaging innocent bloggers and taking away their rewards for something that they put their time and effort into is a "game" to you? Just because you can, does it mean that you have the right to damage someone's reputation and rewards? Something that they have worked towards? Well played Bernie.... Well played. Thank you for exposing your true colors and showing everyone what a crybaby man child you really are. I supported you when you took down noganoo because that person was like a tumor in this place. But that tumor pales in comparison to the ulcerative cancer you're being to the entire forum atm.

But moving on from that, I'd like to draw everyone's attention back to that picture for a moment. Take a look at the purple highlighted rewards on each of bernie's posts. Notice something odd? Maybe it's the fact that each of those comments have 52 upvotes (from his own alt accounts) and each of those comments are paying him $1+
It's funny actually. Wasn't this type of behavior one of your rallying causes against noganoo? A certain word comes to mind: hypocrite.
Not only that but the comments made by your randowhale are doing the same thing as well.

Now before you twist what I'm saying, I am in NO WAY supporting noganoo's actions. That guy scammed, spammed and threatened people including @krystle whom I genuinely support and admire so I'm glad he's gone but what you're doing right now is basically becoming a much more powerful noganoo V2.0.

Don't believe me? Let me draw some comparisons:

  • Noganoo drained the reward pool with his alt accounts. As the above picture (and many other comments of yours) suggest, you're doing the same, damn thing.
  • Noganoo made personal attacks and threats against people. You've been doing the very same thing with Dan and a few other users such as lok1
  • Noganoo had an entire bot army to downvote people's posts and comments. I don't think I need to elaborate further on this because this entire post is about you and your bot army downvoting minnows and innocent steemians.....

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This here is another comment by an affected user and honestly I agree with what he's saying

^ Jbtw this is just ONE of the many examples of users complaining against your bull.

It's funny actually. I read this comment from Dan a month ago and totally dismissed it. I guess the guy knew what he was talking about though:

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Your recent immaturity and actions are starting to make it seem as if your mental age is that of a 12 year old, spoilt brat. Now I don't know you personally so I can't really contact you or speak to you directly to talk some sense into you. But I hope that one of your friends here can do that for you.

I implore you, following gentlemen, to reach out to bernie and please try to make him see reason. Because what he's doing is not only censoring this forum to his liking but actually destroying it altogether.

@ausbitbank (since you worked with him in taking down noganoo)
@sherlockholmes (since you are one of the few people that actually cares about this platform)
@steemcleaners (since you work with Bernie in cleaning up steemit spam along with bernie's alt: steemservices)
@blocktrades (since you are one of the few people that can reverse the damage that bernie is causing on minnow's posts)

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the next change to the platform should include that if you have a negative reputation regardless of how much steempower you have your flags will have no effect to the payout

I strongly disagree!

Up- and Downvoting is a blockchain feature. The reputation score is a steemit.com "frontend-feature".

Not only is the proposed change impossible to implement due to the inaccessibility of reputation on the blockchain protocols. I would argue that such a change would increase the problem by stripping lower reputation accounts of their economic impact. This would just lead to even more alt accounts and confusion as the vesting power effectiveness gets tied to owner reputation.

Please keep in mind, many low-reputation accounts are actually victims of flag-happy sharks and dolphins and not necessarily . I would imagine a change like proposed would only make it more difficult to oppose an "established" entity and would effectively be an increase to the problem that is often labelled as "censorship".

Very good stand. Not all low reps are a result of being an intentional asswipe like @berniesanders. Some are new user mistakes that get resolved as they learn the ropes.

Reputation is non-consensus, and will not become so, so it can never affect voting.

That change would be terrible for everyone. Do you understand how the reputation system works?

I guess so. Reputation doesn't really have anything to do with the blockchain and it's just exclusive to steemit so there's that.....

That would actually be amazing.....

I wish I had something smart to say on this.

It's a pity to see the conflicts between "powerful" individuals in this community spreading. Situations like this one are delicate. I have not looked into the causes and neither am I affiliated with either party involved.

I cannot pick sides here, to me it looks like both individuals are escalating the conflict continuously, so I have to blame them equally for not finding a more constructive approach to dealing with the situation.

The above paragraph is a statement I have to subscribe to for most reciprocal flagging disputes.

Unfortunately the voting rules on this platform do allow this kind of behavior. This is not to say that the rules are at fault either, I do not know of a practical change to the given rules that would be limiting this kind of behavior and I would argue that no set of rules would be ever be devoid of possibilities to be misappropriated.

In the end, what we are dealing with here - it's people!

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You can't censor anyone on here and you certainly can't take away anyone's rewards. The estimated rewards do not belong to the author until voting is complete.

I think you're forgetting how the flagging system works. It solely exists for the purposes of taking rewards away whether they're due to someone copying someone else's content or due to disagreements.

Read my post. You'll notice that the user I'm talking about actually worked hard on his post and it was all original content. But he got caught in berniesander's war against EOS and had his rewards reduced to absolute zero for a while until Dan helped the guy out and got him out of that place.

My post isn't here to argue against flagging. My post is here to simply point out how berniesanders is damaging the ecosystem here simply because he wanted to take things personally and start attacking everyone who talks about EOS. The point of my post is to point out this forced censorship by ONE MAN who has too much power and time on his hands. The point of my post is to show the hypocrisy of berniesanders and how he's reaping the rewards unfairly with his bot army and how this was the reason he used to get rid of another user not so long ago.

If you seriously think people can't be censored and that their rewards can't be taken away then you are still in a bubble.... Go ahead and take a look at the EOS tag. Check out their trending and promoted posts and you'll notice around 50 down votes on each of them by berniesander's alts. A lot of those posts have fallen victim to his onslaught and they have fallen off the trending page. THAT is how censorship works here.

This post is an example as well. The post has been hidden due to down votes which basically means that it would never appear on hot or trending. Mr Bernie can't stop people from saying things but he sure as hell can make those things go away if he wants with the kind of power he has spread out over hundreds of accounts.

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