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RE: Bid bot owners, please unvote this abuse.

in #abuse5 years ago (edited)

I really don't see how it can stop unless someone makes a list all bot operators with votes of over say 0.5 SP then gives them categories of good and needs improvement.
Send the owners warnings and suggestions and tell the major delegators what's up.
Work up the list until it meets acceptable standards. I'm sure a lot of people voting just go for whatever is most profitable, but if they are mailed a list of suggestions and profitable alternatives, they may do the right thing.
The problem is deciding acceptable standards.

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I've compiled a list in the past but would like to devise a script to do it via pattern detection. Maybe it scour through active posts to develop a comprehensive list of bots that use memos (does not include those that use off chain transactions)

Send the owners warnings and suggestions and tell the major delegators what's up.

We have been successful in coordinating removal of MB delegations on abuse but tbh I many users don't care or don't see the financial incentive. At least the the ones with the stake that matters.

For example, @blocktrades will not pull delegations on positive abuse reports for spam and plagiarism. They are also a top witness. That seems to be a conflict of interest.

Witnesses are charged with securing the network and I would say such extends to limited users that demonstrate breaches of ethics from gaining further influence. This isn't beneficial from a business perspective so I understand their inaction. It is not in the best interest of the platform to have it dominated by spammers and scammers.

They may be doing some good things but I don't see how a DAO will address these underlying issues. Dishonest stakeholders and their influence is the problem but it just continues to grow and grow while honest stakeholders influence wanes relatively.

That's not good to know that if I adhere to reasonable morals and ethics that I am put at an instant disadvantage while scammers can rake it in.

It's essentially the same issue for witness / bid bot operators. Unfortunately, they are the ones that possess the stake that determine our shared future here.

One potential solution is attempting to bandage the situation with a front end with certain features in place; however, I don't see how that can help the underlying issues with distribution towards manipulative and/or dishonest.

I would love for the users to prove me wrong. Maybe they will zero out that post and restore my hope in this chain.

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I never considered that many of the bot owners or supporters are witnesses.
I know several of them are engaged in flagging and antispam and have blacklist and whitelist support. Others seem more focused on development and may have a laisse faire philosophy like users will take care of themselves.
That being said, targeting witness votes of witnesses who ignore the greater good by taking them off proxy lists or even adding this as a negative point in witness reviews is still important.
I know they are busy doing many things and may not want to take sides, but if someone has a solid suggestion that is backed by a lot of honest users, maybe they will change their ways.
It seems like a lot of people are here to maximize revenue and some are teaming up to do it better. Nothing fundementally wrong here. These people will only stop if it becomes unprofitable. Harming the greater good should be made to be unprofitable. I would support a fair approach towards this. Target the worst and keep raising the bar.

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