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RE: Debunking a Woman's Right to Choose in Four Words
Well, I don't think even the most "liberal" of politicians would ever condone such laws and frankly I would pitchfork against it myself.
I guess the reason why I ask the question is because until as a society we can't agree on that definition. On when it becomes a human, people will continue to talk past each other. You see what I mean?
Because we have people who have the religious belief (nothing wrong with that, to each his own) that it happens at the point of conception.
Then we have the pragmatics who believe that it happens when its born.
So its not a black and white foundational understanding, its nuanced, I get it. I'm wondering though if we are ever going to find something even closely resembling common ground.
We already found common ground, my friend. You must simply have overlooked it. We both agree that it's impossible to tell at which point a life becomes too valuable to bring an end to. But if we can agree that this is very difficult to agree on, I do not see then why the default decision we fall back on would be to terminate lives up to x point in the pregnancy. What does that say about society? It seems that if this were a morally inclined society, the inability to establish at what point a human life is worth saving should lead to the obvious moral truth that they're all worth saving.
I understand why abortion is legal from the perspective of the people in power who both profit from it in a monetary sense and by keeping the population low, but from the perspective of a normal citizen, I find it it very difficult to empathize with the position of abortion advocates. Perhaps you can assist me in understanding by giving me your best pro abortion point? I ask because I will have a better ability to argue my cause to pro abortionists in future if I better understand the reasons why they believe it ought to be acceptable. Typically I just here really illogical excuses that seem to be spawning from a place of guilt. You on the other hand seem very sound of mine and have entered this conversation with your emotions under control, so I think you're the perfect candidate to hash this out with.
I don't have a pro abortion statement per say. In my opinion anyone that can break it down with a positive spin is doing moral contortionism at best. However, I'm also aware of what happens when we deem things ilegal.
In south america, (where my father lives) abortion is ilegal. Does it still happen? All the freaking time, as a matter of fact, its possibly even worse down there because of the clandestine nature of it.
Meaning, newer generations get pumped with the idea of "sex is wrong, so says God" and they simply hide the sexuality aspect of life.
Then they discover it, and indulge, but in complete ignorance.
I actually had someone tell me once, you will think I'm making this up, but its 100% accurate.
"all you gotta do, is make sure she takes 2 aspirings and drinks a whole coke before you do it... she can't get pregnant like that"
That's funny, but its not supposed to be.
So, to me... and this is my opinion, the fact that is morally wrong, or unethical and having a conversation from that platform might not be as productive as the establishment of systems that educate the young to make better, healthier choices.
Will this eliminate abortions? possibly not, but I'm convinced it would reduce them if less people think the aspirin thing works.
That being said, I also don't have the political artistry to come up with a way to both allow choice and prevent abuse (which happens). That requires a brain that is not currently in circulation, or a whole different species all together.