Reply to @msgivings: Abortion: My Body My Choice
My wife and I have suffered through infertility problems and miscarriages. I am a big believer in open discourse...but I think the odds of anyone changing another's mind about abortion are pretty low. That being said it does not mean we can't work towards a solution.
I still think abortion is a complex issue. The root difference between both camps is simple.
Pro-Choice believe my body, my life my choice - it's not a child.
Pro-Life believe it's a baby, their life matters, abortion is murder.
There is no common ground...they are polar opposite arguments. They will never agree.
In the United States, fixing the adoption system would probably relieve a lot of our country's abortion related angst. It costs around 30 thousand dollars or more to adopt a baby and there are a whole host of other expensive requirements as well. The birth mother gets nothing - zero. The first step to fix the country's arguments about abortion....pay the mothers. To be clear I am not talking about some weird sort of slavery.
I think the abortion rate would be cut by 90%, if women got paid $10 grand per baby. Infertility rates are increasing especially among the educated. Even $20 grand is far beyond my means, but adoption reform could create a free market system and all the ridiculous fees an adoption agency charges would be reduced once there is fair competition.
Margaret Sanger, the founder of planned parenthood, was one crazy whacked out racist. She sounds a lot more like Hitler than a humanitarian. Check out this page of quotes from her.:
To be fair, I think she was one crazy person. However, and I know it's awful to say, but she was right about one thing: how would we fund our welfare system without abortion? My reasoning is different than hers: she wanted sterilization for the poor, requiring permits to have a child for the lower, class, and abortions for, in Margaret Sanger's belief, "lower races." All of that is ludicrous.
I believe we should just fix the adoption system, you know, since I am not a crazy racist trying to purify the nation like Margaret Sanger and her organization Planned Parenthood. Do you want proof besides Sanger's own words? Have you ever seen a planned parenthood in a rich white neighborhood? The answer is NO.
If we make adoption affordable for average Americans, then we take much of the stress off of people who have unwanted pregnancies. It gives them an economic incentive to keep the child to term.
@misgiving said a "mother’s decision should (al)ways hold supreme." Some people will always believe that is the most selfish opinion a human can have; others will cheer that statement on.
We need to start thinking outside the box to fix the abortion chasm in our culture.
If you really want to fix the problem of abortions, solve the problems that justify it in the first place. I think a child should never be seen as "a punishment for those who made irresponsible sex".
I agree with this: "child should never be seen as a punishment for those who made irresponsible sex" but I don't think our society has a large enough percentage of legalistic religious people for that to really be a major contributing factor anymore.
I mean, you're essentially incentivizing surrogacy. Which I'm not saying is evil. In fact, you might be onto something as far as solutions go. Perhaps there could be a more organized surrogacy-to-adoption program. But surrogacy (in THIS country, anyway), is generally elitist, with surrogate mothers being hand-picked and monitored during pregnancy. So if we are going to pay our mothers for giving up their babies, we'll either need to regulate their health, or the free market is going to have to determine who the best pick is. Either way, it is worth discussion...
My theory is that the free market will take care of all of this. Surrogacy in its current form is super expensive because it is the only way to get around our ridiculous adoption laws and cost. If the adoption market was fixed surrogacy would be too.
Любой аборт - убийство! Any Abortion is a muder!
It depends on when you consider to be the begining of a new human life, the life of a new person.
Agreed, but that is not the center of the debate with my idea for a solution to the country's angst about this topic.
Paying to have a baby is unsustainable. And there would be issues with racism and prejudice in that too. At what amount of babies do you stop the pay outs?
Of course it is sustainable...People will always make more babies and governments will always print more money.
As for racism...it will be way less racist then planned parent hood. I think the average person is a lot less like Hitler then Margaret Sanger. Some adoptions would cost more then others...it would be supply and demand.
There really is not much common area between Pro-Life and Pro-Choice...imagine a compromise that both cold actually live with.