Fasting and Pain

in #science7 years ago

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This morning, while scrolling through my facebook feed (yes, yes I know, don’t crucify me), I encountered an article about how food-deprived mice feel less inflammatory pain. That caught my attention.

Inflammatory pain is the pain that happens when something in your body is inflamed (as the name suggests), which is usually connected to immune cells doing their job. Another kind of pain is acute pain, which is, for example, you, stepping on a Lego. It’s not something you experience over a prolonged amount of time. At least in most cases. I don’t know how long your walks on Lego usually last.

Anyway, in the study, they tested the response of mice to inflammatory pain and acute pain, either food deprived or fed. What they found was, that hungry mice didn’t react to inflammatory pain as much as on-hungry ones. In contrast, acute pain caused them to take longer to start eating when offered food again1.

These findings are an interesting example for how mice, and humans most likely too, prioritize without even realizing it. A sudden pain might indicate immediate danger, from which an animal has to get away as fast as possible, no thoughts should be wasted on food. But inflammatory pain? That can last for days, in bad cases even weeks. It shouldn’t keep you from eating or you’ll surely starve. @suesa

One reason for the decreased inflammatory pain response appears to be neuropeptide Y1, which generally serves as a signal to eat. If you’re interested in how exactly your appetite is controlled by hormones, check out my post on Hunger Hormones from about three months ago.

But how does this knowledge help us in any way? I mean, great, if you’re hungry, it’s not so bad that the gunshot wound on your leg got infected, but what else?

That’s not a common problem? Oh.


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Well, “inflammatory pain” can be more than just “I got an infection”. Rheumatoid arthritis is an inflammatory pain too!

And there have been studies which show, that short-term fasting can improve rheumatoid arthritis, as well as for the treatment of chronic pain and stress 2. Especially when followed by a vegetarian or lacto-vegetarian diet, the effects can be lasting. Of course, just fasting once in a while doesn’t heal you, medical treatment is still needed. But it can help improve the general condition – as long as one sticks to a certain diet after fasting. 3

But that’s the usual problem, isn’t it? People fast or diet, reach the desired result, and then fall back into old eating patterns, just to wonder why they gain weight or why their old symptoms come back.

If you don’t suffer from something like rheumatoid arthritis, you might still consider fasting once in a while (only after properly informing yourself on how to do it, of course. Don’t just stop eating.), because it appears to increase the availability of serotonin, endogenous opioids and endocannabinoids 4, 5.

Especially the endocannabinoid system serves to mediate pain, specifically inflammatory pain6, in our bodies. Based on this, it’s not surprising that chronic pain seems to lessen when we’re hungry. (For more info on the endocannabinoid system, check out my post Sex, Drugs, and Neurotransmitters).

But.

But.

There’s always a but. From an evolutionary view, it wouldn’t make any sense to associate the lack of food only with reduced pain and a state of euphoria. We humans, and all other animals would just stop eating. After all, it’d decrease our tolerance to chronic and inflammatory pain, right?


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That’s the point where the hormone leptin comes in (also referenced in the “Hunger Hormones” post).

Leptin is supposed to suppress our desire for food, which means dropping levels of it cause us to be hungry. Humans and mice that are insensitive to leptin tend to be obese, while the leptin levels in patients with anorexia nervosa are incredibly low. The decrease of leptin is triggered by the loss of fat mass, but also short-term fasting, which generally doesn’t lead to weight loss. 7

Interestingly, low leptin levels seem to also lead to an almost hyperactive need for movement, which can be observed in cases of anorexia nervosa. Now, many of the patients exercise more to lose weight, but the same effects can be observed in mice too, which suggests at least some influence by the hormone. 8

But how does that all fit together? How does it make any sense?

Leptin positively influences the immune system, which means a lack of it leads to a weaker immune system. But! Inflammatory pain is usually caused by immune cells. Downregulating leptin can thus downregulate the activity of the cells in question and reduce inflammatory responses and, as a result, inflammatory pain. 9

As always, it’s not easy to draw conclusions applicable to our normal life from this. Should you fast from time to time? Should you avoid it? What food should you eat?

I can’t give you definite answers, it all depends on you, your body and your goals. If you’re generally healthy, you can just test what feels best. If you suffer from a disease, consult your doctor before trying out any extreme things to “cure” yourself. That can lead to more damage than you might expect.

Stay curious, stay informed. Don’t make dumb, uninformed decisions.



Sources:

1 A Neural Circuit for the Suppression of Pain by a Competing Need State

2 Short-Term Therapeutic Fasting in the Treatment for Chronic Pain and Stress Syndromes. Effects of Mineral Supplements on Side Effects and Well-Being

3 Controlled trial of fasting and one-year vegetarian diet in rheumatoid arthritis

4 Prolonged Fasting as a Method of Mood Enhancement in Chronic Pain Syndromes: A Review of Clinical Evidence and Mechanisms

5 The Short-term Effects of Fasting on the Neuroendocrine System in Patients with Chronic Pain Syndromes

6 Endocannabinoids and pain: spinal and peripheral analgesia in inflammation and neuropathy

7 The role of falling leptin levels in the neuroendocrine and metabolic adaptation to short-term starvation in healthy men

8 Elevated Physical Activity and Low Leptin Levels Co-occur in Patients with Anorexia Nervosa

9 Serum leptin in rheumatoid arthritis


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Fasting is great! Pain should be viewed as something to be learnt and not feared. Pain is life. If we can embrace pain, we will most certainly be progressing a lot faster.

So, you upvote your comment, but not the post? I don't think your comment was that brilliant, especially because it has barely anything to do with the post. But looking at your voting behavior, that's what you always seem to do: always upvoting yourself but not the post you comment on.

Disgusting.

So people with anorexia nervosa have low Leptin levels, which should make them feel very hungry, but they still manage to resist eating. Is that due mostly to an extreme aversion to food and a very strong will?

Usually due to the fact that it's a mental disorder. Those really fuck you up.

interesting blog, as you indicate the fast can work in all the opportunities and alternatives of the case, as what is said eat healthy things, like everyone for what we eat, really are very certain words, if we eat carbohydrates and many fats, We will develop many diseases, including arthritis.
now, it captures my attention as you introduce your topic in how the deprived mice of food feel less inflammatory pain, throughout the reading you intertwine your main idea, without losing the thread of the article, really very interesting topic, and the more you read but you want to read.
I make the words that you repeat over and over again, before making a decision about whether to fast or it is not necessary to visit the doctor, lest there be any other difficulty in the organism and the situation worsen. thank you for sharing your point of view, a warm greeting from venezuela

I really don't trust this kind of "creative, extreme, natural" healing methods. But I have heard actually pretty great things about fasting. Maybe I'll try it out sometime.

Always inform yourself well before doing something drastic like this tho. Fasting can easily turn unhealthy.

  1. I don’t know how long your walks on Lego usually last. Lol xd
  2. Anorexia nervosa sounds like a harry potter spell.
  3. Because it appears to increase the availability of serotonin, endogenous opioids and endocannabinoids. Oh really?
  4. I demand a second part of this article, I still need to know about the influences of this on the emotional pain. Also, i'm really interested in animals behavior; of course that an acute pain can't neglect the primordial necessity of eating, of hunting, they still have to eat, they'll do anything to acomplish that mission but inflammatory pain sucks, they could just stand there starving to death :( and that would make them feel actually better? anyway, any of this makes sense to you? I've payed a friend to write it for me. ( not true, or is it?) you'll know in my next comment.
    Maybe.

Didn't find any research on the emotional pain thing so I didn't include it. And for the other stuff, I think you need to clarify a bit what you mean. Optionally in a message.

Nice article Suesa, I have come across some examples of the benefits of fasting, I would like to try for a prolonged period when the time is right. As a student it can be an easy thing to fast being skint, but there is of course a difference in fasting and not eating much. It's no good fasting and just eating beans on toast haha, we need the vitamins and nutrients also.

One thing I'm curious about is why we get hunger pains, sometimes when i'm waiting for food to finish I get big hunger pains just before eating that sometimes me me feel sick.

Anyway thanks for the informative post :D

You can try the 16-8 way of fasting. It is a bit easier than a full 24 hours and some people find it very helpful. You fast for 16 hours a day and eat for 8 hours. So from 8:00pm-12:00 noon the following day you would fast and the hours in between you can eat. Smaller meals more often rather than one or two massive meals during those eight hours might help those stomach pains you were talking about!

Give it a shot for one day a week for a month and see how you feel! It isn't for everyone but you won't know until you try it :)

Hey, thanks for that advice, that was nice of you. It's actually a good idea, the problem I have is high metabolism i'll arrive to 1'oclock and be starving again haha.

I may just give it a try anyway haha. Thanks a lot :)

There's certainly a reason for hunger pains, which I don't know from the top of my head.

Hunger pains otherwise know as hunger pangs are caused by the strong contractions of an empty stomach.

When the stomach is empty, it contracts, this contractions causes pain and its a way of telling our body we need to eat.

However hunger pangs don't always mean a need to eat. For example when i am scared, i get these hunger pangs.

It's ok, but I'm sure you know that "a hungry man is an angry man" :p

Hi, very nice article; in the past I regularly practiced fasting cleansing, I did not eat for almost 48 hours (obviously I drank in abundance), I confess that I felt well and very fit. For a practical speech I do it less, but I think I will continue with continuity. thanks for the nice post and congratulations again! I will follow with curiosity your next articles ... sorry the bad English :-)

I think this is great information for people that are looking to try other ways of eating or different diets. Every person is different and there isn't a cookie-cutter way of eating that works for everyone. I have clients that have tried fasting and hate it and I have had others that have tried it and love it!

What I am saying is, give it a shot! Your body will let you know pretty damn quick if a diet works for you haha

(I have also had clients that were hungry and a gunshot wound on their leg got infected... hahaha Happens to everyone's clients right?)

Awesome post, funny and full of information! :)

Obviously an up vote and a follow from me! :)

Were they shot because they were so hungry that they tried to rob a grocery store? :P

How did you know!?

I agree with @annemariemay -I appreciate the informativeness of this post too.
I've heard something about the benefits of fasting previously, but this was very comprehensive post and gave loads of new info. If you know anything about the disadvantages that fasting has when it comes to e.g. metabolism (the changes in energy levels etc.), it would be great to read about them!

Fun fact: my friend has tried fasting multiple times and I think his motto is "Cucumber and water makes you feel fucking great!" (He also drinks large amounts of Pepsi Max when his fasting, so I don't trust his expertise on this matter…)

I don't think there's much you can't elaborate scientifically. This has helped me understand more and more about my own body and I can never thank you enough for that. I have never known my going on hunger strikes sometimes (I usually procrastinate eating with for no good reason at all) can be helpful to my own body.

Science is extremely interesting... :)

Great post. On top of the effects of leptin fasting down regulates mTOR and upregulates FOXO which is also anti inflammatory .

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