Scheme of milking platform

chriddi (73) 7 days ago (edited)

it will become uninteresting to anyone

This already happens. It has to happen to anyone who takes some minutes off their own business and looks what is published on the platform each minute. Without filters of course. Filters are great, but most of us do not use them and those who are new or want to learn something about the platform before they register do not have them.

Quoting myself:

want to learn something about the platform before they register

Don't laugh, this was the usual ongoing in former times.

Giving downvotes is not very pleasant

Dear Oleh, excuse me, but you are much too friendly... :-))

We all need to downvote. As a community. If the community leaves this issue on the shoulders of a few, those will be tired soon.
You know what? Actually they are!

Edit
Perhaps it should be mentioned that #burnsteem25 is only one ‘way’ to get an autovote. There are plenty more (tags, communities), even for bigger votes! The scammers know this, I won't list any more. Just one: take a look right on your doorstep, dear Steemcurators, dear Steem Representatives: https://steemit.com/muted/hive-166405
Don't look away, take action!

$10.97

5 votes

lightcaptured (73) 7 days ago

Where would I start... I could spend my whole day reflecting and writing on @o1eh's post...

This already happens.

I totally agree with you, Chriddi but I'm gonna change that a bit, "this already happened, long time ago". probably a few months after the beginning, somewhere in 2017 ;)

Content on the chain has some weight, but let's say it's somewhere at 10%, maybe even less 'cause I usually have to scroll down a lot to see something interesting and written in a language I read (four languages I can read without translation). What appears to be much more important are investments, social skills (engagement, sending compliments, etc.), adaptability and that common symptom of all networks with a social side, usually trying to present a perfect life of a perfect individual, appeal, etc. Sexual appeal also comes in handy.

Start complaining about life, money and NO appeal - nobody cares.
Start complaining about life, money and YES appeal - huge votes, delegations, transfers, I hope I make my point :)))

Content isn't that important in the end. Nothing different from RL ;)

Personally I wouldn't start a downvote war, I've seen many and it is always ugly, both side suffer while at the same time other scams thrive.

What I would help, in general, is Steemit Inc. sits with the largest stakeholders, and the biggest witnesses and come out with some common rules, rules that would later be applied to everyone, from plankton to whales. Only then could the community start to spread fair downvotes, otherwise it would always be personal.

In the particular case, I guess some of those mentioned big players should contact ctime and ask them to change that or just implement a blacklist or some verification perhaps instead of just upvoting burn25.

I hope this makes sense, have a lovely day all and thanks for bringing up subjects such as this one it's not easy :)

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6 votes

chriddi (73) 6 days ago

Oh, thank you so much for your detailed comment.
A whole day? This topic has been on my mind my whole Steemit life and I could fill a book with it... ;-)
The article triggered me to reply. Although I knew that we had already had pages of discussions about this in the past. I won't go into that depth again. It only costs (a lot of) lifetime and doesn't change anything anyway.

"this already happened, long time ago". probably a few months after the beginning, somewhere in 2017 ;)

Yes, that's right! But back then there was a much larger group of users who were prepared to do something about the abuses. Whether they succeeded or not (as you can see, they didn't) is irrelevant. They tried. They did something. They set signs that they did not agree with the situation. They were loud. They didn't put up with everything.

I also experienced the great flag wars and of course I don't want to experience something like that again. However, I still believe that not much harm can be done to the individual if everyone sticks together in good will. And why not? After all, the fraudsters stick together too.

Nevertheless, the flags are an instrument provided by the system. And they are simply intended to show: ‘I don't agree with what you're doing.’ To send a sign.
Of course, this ‘power’ can also be exploited (as we have seen in the past), but you can think about that when the time comes.

At the same time, I think it's too late for everything (including positive conversations) because there are far too many automatisms.
A hard fork (Witness task) with modified reward mechanisms would be more important (automatisms must not be rewarded). But since too many Witnesses benefit from these automatisms themselves, it won't happen... :-(

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lightcaptured (73) 6 days ago

Spot on! You're so right about the book thing, it would be in multiple volumes, I bet :)))
Now my turn to thank you for your time reading and responding to my thoughts, I know nothing will change, because I suggested the same common-ground rules, or let's call them guidelines, back in 2018, I think, long before the split.

if everyone sticks together in good will

Do you believe that's possible and more importantly, doable? Frankly, I highly doubt that. True, I'd like that to happen but my stake is too tiny to be really important.

Automatism... I don't mind, it's just a tool, similar to a scalpel - in the hands of a surgeon it saves lives, in the hands of a killer, it takes lives. Actually, I think it has more positive value, as without it, investors and developers won't be attracted and retained on the chain and developers in crypto usually bring some stake along, unless coming from the poor desperate parts of the world.

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2 votes

chriddi (73) 5 days ago

back in 2018, I think, long before the split

Probably every one of us long-term users who made a little effort to look behind the scenes and WANTED to understand did something like this... ;-)

Do you believe that's possible and more importantly, doable?

Nope. But I don't want to stop dreaming... ;-)

Automatism...

Of course, every coin has two sides.
But in the real world, there are far more surgeons than killers...

2 votes

o1eh (79) 6 days ago

We all need to downvote

I think it should become a habit for everyone. But given the scale of the abuse, we will never have enough resources to clean up the platform. Although this is not a reason to give up. 🙂

This already happens.

We critically need to make the Steemit homepage more "human". It is unlikely that a person who saw it for the first time will decide to join to run his blog. He will think that only spam is posted here. 😕 In the blockchain, there will always be applications, such as TipTag, thanks to which tons of spam will get here. That's why we need at least filters.

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chriddi (73) 6 days ago

this is not a reason to give up

❗️❗️❗️

Nobody said it would succeed. Nobody said we wanted a flag war. What rubbish, nobody wants that! And we won't ‘win’ either.
But we can set an example! Send out signals that say we don't agree with what's going on.
And anyone can do that! Every user, no matter how tiny! Make a statement, express your opinion without saying much. Set an example.

Closing the eyes and resting on the own (sometimes high) rewards is NOT an option! Anyone who does this opens the door to even more spam/scam, because there are no consequences... No consequences, not even small signs. At most, honest users who leave the platform in disgust (Gosh, I know so many of them!). Think this negative chain reaction through to the end! Maybe a little DV here or there instead?!

No promise of success, of course. One way. A different path than the one modelled by the god the lemmings follow... 🤷‍♀️

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event-horizon (76) 7 days ago

Bloggers have already lost interest in the platform as they are the ones who are least supported like you said. On the other hand, crap gets support from left and right. It's not just about bid-bot users anymore. There's a lot of crap among "nice users" too.

Maybe, there shouldn't be any guaranteed support projects or auto-votes for anyone. 🤔 There's more fun in continuously working on the quality of your content and anticipating the response. This goes for everything including reports and challenges.

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4 votes

o1eh (79) 6 days ago

Maybe, there shouldn't be any guaranteed support projects or auto-votes for anyone. 🤔 There's more fun in continuously working on the quality of your content and anticipating the response. This goes for everything including reports and challenges.

I'm thinking about it too and it would probably be right. Guaranteed rewards reduce people's motivation.

Bloggers have already lost interest

Not all yet 😃

event-horizon (76) 6 days ago

Not all yet 😃

Yeah... some always show up aloof from all the mayhem. 😉

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2 votes

chriddi (73) 6 days ago

Maybe, there shouldn't be any guaranteed support projects or auto-votes for anyone. [...]
This goes for everything including reports and challenges.

👏

I have commented on this in a wide variety of contexts and even made suggestions (for short-term implementation). Never fully developed, of course. And of course something like this could not be implemented suddenly, it would require a concept. It would require the cooperation of several ‘instances’. And for that - i in other words for co-operation and concept development - ‘one’ would have to be ready...

aftab.tiptag (46) 6 days ago

Hello,@chriddi,@justyy,@the-gorilla,oleh
We made a lot of fake posts on Steemit and even created our own fake community.I caused a lot of trouble for the Steam people because of me and caused them harm and also wasted my time. Although I also built my own robot, I was not successful in it.I feel ashamed to do all this work.I created many accounts and caused a lot of damage to Steemit. Because of my creating so many accounts, they stopped creating accounts.I also know some hacking. I have the power to create an account by passing the code from using burpsuite without giving a phone number or email.But I was wrong in all of them.I created my own community, which had the problem of plagiarism, but I also found a solution to that by using it as a tool.At first, I thought that I was getting automatic earnings because of the tool I had created, but later I realized that all this is forbidden and a sin.I am very proud of the steamers who stopped me and I salute their bravery.Especially @the-gorilla and @justyy.But after that I didn't post any fakes on Steemit even though I could have.I knew my IP had been given to the Steemit people, but I was using a remote dextop.And my only reason for using Pakistan's IP was that Pakistan's FIA doesn't work quickly.But I later realized that it was wrong and a sin to do so, so I stopped doing it.After that, I stopped not only spaming on Steemit, but also scaming on everything.
I know what it is and how to stop it, so I want to help you. I hope I can keep Steemit safe from these scammers.I want to be included in your team and if I am given a chance, I will bring high results.I am not very good at writing English because my native language is not English, so please don't judge my writing. Give me a chance.I want to do something good with you.
please i requested

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soulfuldreamer (73) 6 days ago

Sad sad sad!

Unfair

But not only these scammers!

As Hira said and I have also pointed out many a times...

The usual ones with reports, and such... Well if I say it out loud: publish crap most of the time and still get upvoted!

It's not "the grapes are sour" situation but even the posts nominated by SC curators are below average most of the time...

I don't know if you noticed or not: The really good bloggers are losing interest and losing it fast :(

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3 votes

the-gorilla (75) 6 days ago

It's not "the grapes are sour" situation but even the posts nominated by SC curators are below average most of the time...

And the reason for that is so obvious, I don't even need to type it out.

soulfuldreamer (73) 6 days ago

And the reason for that is so obvious,

Makes me very sad and frustrated 😔

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aftab.tiptag (46) 6 days ago

Hello,@chriddi,@justyy,@the-gorilla,@oleh
We made a lot of fake posts on Steemit and even created our own fake community.I caused a lot of trouble for the Steam people because of me and caused them harm and also wasted my time. Although I also built my own robot, I was not successful in it.I feel ashamed to do all this work.I created many accounts and caused a lot of damage to Steemit. Because of my creating so many accounts, they stopped creating accounts.I also know some hacking. I have the power to create an account by passing the code from using burpsuite without giving a phone number or email.But I was wrong in all of them.I created my own community, which had the problem of plagiarism, but I also found a solution to that by using it as a tool.At first, I thought that I was getting automatic earnings because of the tool I had created, but later I realized that all this is forbidden and a sin.I am very proud of the steamers who stopped me and I salute their bravery.Especially @the-gorilla and @justyy.But after that I didn't post any fakes on Steemit even though I could have.I knew my IP had been given to the Steemit people, but I was using a remote dextop.And my only reason for using Pakistan's IP was that Pakistan's FIA doesn't work quickly.But I later realized that it was wrong and a sin to do so, so I stopped doing it.After that, I stopped not only spaming on Steemit, but also scaming on everything.
I know what it is and how to stop it, so I want to help you. I hope I can keep Steemit safe from these scammers.I want to be included in your team and if I am given a chance, I will bring high results.I am not very good at writing English because my native language is not English, so please don't judge my writing. Give me a chance.I want to do something good with you.
please i requested

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o1eh (79) 5 days ago

The really good bloggers are losing interest and losing it fast :(

Yes, I have noticed that some of the good bloggers have become inactive. But I'm still not sure if it's a natural process, if it's due to the lack of SBD, or if they're just disappointed with the platform 😕.

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aminasafdar (67) 3 days ago

Or maybe maybe they're busy in their life and have a lot on their plate that they can't switch on their creative brain side and start writing.

But one day, they will come back surely because there is nothing like steemit anywhere:)

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o1eh (79) 3 days ago

This can also be the case 🙂.

But one day, they will come back surely because there is nothing like steemit anywhere:)

I hope that is exactly what will happen. 😀

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marcoteixeira (70) 7 days ago

Making this network more human would be something extraordinary... we know it’s not possible, but your posts make the narcissistic culture of humanity visible. All the best to you and thanks for yet another excellent post!

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