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RE: @haejin is stealing YOUR rewards!!! EXPOSING THE TRUTH!
What's hard for me to wrap my head around is why I wouldn't vote for my own posts. It increases exposure, and rewards myself for participating, which makes me want to participate more. On the other hand, it feels like it's cheating the system, even for a Dolphin? Large Minnow? like myself. I try to balance it for myself morally by upvoting at least one other person for every upvote I give myself. I don't know if that's enough...
Currently, my vote is worth 2 cents, and I can vote 10 times a day for 2 cents. (Which, I love doing - feeling like a high roller at 2 cents! LOL!). But, I only do one post every 3 to 5 days, so, feel it's somewhat fair to upvote myself once out of 30 to 50 votes. But, I do enjoy giving it to others, because of course, 2 cents isn't going to make or break me. But, when I'm staring at a post that I poured my heart into, and it's got 4 cents on it, my finger gets twitchy over the vote button! :).
keep it up.
i know how u feel. but we always have that hope of "oh, maybe it could somehow help to boost the post, a vote is still a vote"
And now it seems my vote has dropped down to 1 cent for some reason! I was so excited when it was worth 2!!! :)
time to pump up the SPs then =)
the more you invest, the more returns you get
And now I know I'm a .01cent pleb...feelsbadman
@jasonls You aren't a pleb! Rock that penny and give it out daily like a rock star! You can give away 10 pennies every day! that might not be a lot to you, but, it could make the world of difference to someone here. :). It might even make someone's day!!
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Steemit should have a max 5 posts a day limit. That would cut him of 50%.
I love this idea because some people create posts that are complete crap just to vote themselves more rewards.
Maybe we should not limit the persons number of posts, but limit how many posts they are allowed to get any rewards for... like after the first post, the rewards would be reduced by 75% and the post after that the reward would be reduced by 90% until if they posted say more than 4 times in a day, only the first or maybe second post would be worth posting simply for the monetary value.
good idea i think
I suggest 2 and when steemit crossed 2M members then 1 daily to avoid flooding
The idea is to invest and buy steem. I m new and waiting for my steem to transfer but I think the idea is the whales are whales because they invest in the Steem and platform.
That kinda sounds like censorship. If one makes 5 posts and makes another great one but has to wait...
Then if this happens quite often there would be posts that could never happen because of an arbitrary number.
Just playing devils advocate
Any attempt at limiting like that would just mean he would need extra accounts so it would have no real effect.
Good call man. Problem solved.
Then he would make 10 more accounts.
so true, especially when you see the bigger fishes playing the game with their own rules
Chuckles*
Sharing some love. It's not much, but it's something =)
So here are the stats for your outgoing and incoming votes (by weight) over the past 100 days and mine. Personally someone up voting themselves with a few $1 (or less) votes (while abusive to many) is slightly abusive in nature but nowhere near as bad as the bigger guys doing it. Remember by weight means that if you upvote yourself 20x at 100% and someone else upvotes you 40x at 50% then they have given you between 49.897215469% of your votes by weight and you have given yourself 50.10278453% of your votes. You decide what you make of the numbers these provide though. I would prefer a few thousand minnows upvoting themselves, and distributing the rewards over a large population, over a single user getting that reward... personally
Your voting over the past 100 days
Mine over 100 days.
Breakdown of your income over 100 days
Breakdown of my income
Btw, the calculation for finding the amount of voting done by weight is a little more complex then what I did (rough approximation) and is supposed to take into account the SP of the voters as well, I didn't in my hypothetical situation.
Thanks for the breakdown. I just don't know what to make of this ethically. On one hand I do want to contribute and add value to people, on the other hand it seems profitable to always upvote yourself while at the same time upvoting others. It's something I'm having trouble wrapping my head around economically and ethically. In an ideal world all of my upvotes would be from other people, but it's like I have this "free" money here since I spent my hard-earned money to buy steem, so it would feel wasteful not to at least allocate part of it to myself if I feel that I am contributing in some meaningful way to the conversation.
Well if it helps you out, if you reward others then it is likely that they will be more likely to trade it around or get more people to buy into it this increasing the value where if you just reward yourself and nobody else then it is less likely to increase your value in the long run. Basically it becomes a quick buck and thats it. So how you come to a decision on what it morally right or wrong, up to you... but at least what you are doing isn't decreasing the value of the reward pool in amounts that are actually noticeable to other people.
Well if nothing else your resources gave me a chance to objectively look at the proportions, which gives me a more accurate idea of how I feel about it. (When I just do 1 upvote for someone else with content I appreciate and 1 for myself when I contribute meaningfully, it feels pretty fair, but seeing the numbers in a pie chart... it feels a lot different). Thanks for helping me clarify my feelings on the matter.
Glad there are people as generous as you in this situation! No worries.
I don't think it's bad to self vote. You can only do it once per post anyways. I agree that by balancing it out with rewarding others for decent comments or posts, you remain true to the goal of the platform.
Maybe if you're a huge whale with a crazy amount of power and you're only posting to upvote yourself, then that's not really fair. But there's nothing preventing that. In the end, the majority of us are here because of some kind of financial incentive. Otherwise, there are platforms like Medium, which boasts 30,000,000 readers and features regularly curated content that features on their homepage.
Plus, I feel that it's a waste for me to remain at 100% voting power. Unfortunately, i don't always have the time to find great content, read and upvote, and that's because I have a demanding job.
There are a lot of empty posts on Steemit too like "this is a flower, please like and follow me. Follow for Follow". I'm tired of that.
I realized that I made a mistake by immediately following back anybody that followed me or engaged on my posts, because I ended up with all that crappy content in my feed. I'm working on cleaning up my following list and reducing it to only those that I feel are actually worth following! Otherwise, it's hard to find good content when you land on the home page!
Content is King! And if you invest the time to write great articles then you should reward yourself with a little upvote too. Because you deserve that!
And without a decent following or an investment in upvote bots, it becomes difficult to gain visibility on your posts, and it just gets lost in the noise.
For great content I invite you to look at @ecotrain, a nice mix.
I understand your difficulties with finding great content, if the ecotrain authors sometimes don´t put out the usual number of articles in a day, for whatever reason, busy with other stuff I guess, I also don´t really know where to check and what to read and what to upvote.
Well said soul.
If you want music to listen too whilst you clean your page,
I'm your man :). Original curator.
The Mute button is your friend.
Yes, specially if you write in a minority language it is hard to get noticed.
There is nothing wrong with voting for your own posts, it's well within your rights to do so, however there comes a point when it becomes blatant abuse. For example, you are allowed by the system of steemit to upvote your comments as well, but if you were to say, spam hundreds of one word comments on old and irrelevant posts and then 100% upvote them yourself that would be seen as abuse, since you are not contributing anything to the system, only taking from it. Haejin's posts are seen as abuse because of the sheer amount of them. He could EASILY combine them all into three or maybe even four posts per day, but he posts like ELEVEN per day. The reason he does this is because he can maximise rewards that way, and take more of the community reward pool for himself. He also doesn't do anything to engage with the community here, just take from it. Anyhow, the main point is: Voting for your own post is totally ok, abusing the system by posting a ton of low value and then upvoting it yourself is not ok.
Yeah! The whole upvote of your own post seems so narcissistic. But hey! -I do it! Nobody else is doing it! HA! :P