Slings and Arrows...
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I first read Hamlet for school, I remember it well. I must’ve been about 12 years old, perhaps 13. A child, though not literature-wise. I’d read a lot of books by that age. And yet, I hated Hamlet with a passion. I read it as a class assignment, not because I couldn’t get out of it (I could’ve easily bluffed my way through it, and besides, we had a kind, understanding teacher), but because of personal ambition. I felt I had to like Shakespeare, because he’s a very cultured read, isn’t he? How can you have class and not like Shakespeare?
Maybe it was because I read it in Romanian (It was, after all, for Romanian class). Maybe it was the age, though no, I don’t think that was it. But for whatever reason, I hated it with a passion and vowed never to read Shakey Bill again.
Now, fast forward about two years, when I would literally sleep only a handful of hours each night and watch Shakespeare adaptations on repeat. I dreamed the words, knew them by heart, both the abbreviated version used in the movie and the original. Little by little, I made my way through all of Shakespeare’s plays, including Hamlet and now, I consider Hamlet to be one of the most fascinating stories in existence.
I fell in love with Will Shakespeare on my own. I was no longer in school by that time, had no official incentive whatsoever to give him another shot. Well, Jeremy Irons was involved in the adaptations I was watching, so there is that. I’m not trying to brag or show off my smarts or whatever. It’s just an interesting difference for me to note.
The other day, I was on my way downtown and I ran, to my surprise, into that very same teacher that I mentioned. A truly lovely woman and one of the few teachers from my school years I remember fondly. And one of the first things she asked me, naturally, was what university I was going to. And I said I wasn’t and it was incredible, but she had this “what?” look that took me back so fast, made me feel like I was 12 years old again.
And I explained why I’m not going to uni – because I feel this time would be much better spent writing and exploring who I want to be as a writer. See, I understand that no other time in my life will be more productive than this one here. I doubt I will have the time and the freedom from other responsibilities at 30 to write as much as I do now. At 70, I doubt I’ll have the same flow. Not trying to be mean or anything, just realistic, mainly basing these conclusions on what other writers have already said.
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I also told her I’d published a book and was trying to get another book published and had just finished a third. And it’s a hard road and while I don’t expect or desire anyone’s pity or sympathy, it was somewhat irritating to be so easily dismissed and told I should go to university.
I don’t blame her. After all, this is a woman who spent her life in the educational system here in Romania, she herself went to that university many years ago. And it was interesting, as she explained why I need to go to university, that she was contradicting herself. She said I might meet people and a great teacher who might nurture my writing passion and help me find my direction.
I probably would meet people, but the literary world here is small and very shitty in my opinion, especially in attitude. And besides, I don’t plan on writing in Ro any time soon, no it would be kinda useless.
The great teacher? It’s a lovely concept, but it’s also just a pipe dream and I’m realistic enough to understand that. There are a very few teachers out there with an actual gift and passion, a desire to see their students prosper and the odds of running into one are minute.
As for my direction, I alone can find that. And I am slowly discovering where I want to go and who I want to be as we speak. I don’t need anyone to show me the way.
And then she said something that stuck with me, she said
Sure, it’s not all going to be fun and there will be parts you don’t like. But there were parts you didn’t like in school, and you did that anyway.
Now, how contradictory is that? And how convincing to waste three years of my life? It’s that very same ‘trudge on’ mentality that has kept me away from school. You don’t like it, but you don’t believe you have a voice to protest, so you shut up.
Reminds me of something my beloved Corey Taylor sang:
Never had a voice to protest, so you fed me shit to digest
I love that quote, because it’s brutal and it’s truthful as hell.
This woman, as I said, is a good-natured person. I have no doubt she was trying to help me, she even told me, as we parted, that I’m a smart girl, in a month of heavy prep, I’d be ready to go to uni, which is probably true. And I wouldn’t like it, but I’d still do it, because that’s what good little girls do.
But maybe I don’t want to be a good girl and maybe I’d rather walk a road I like, a difficult road, but one that is my choice and mine alone.
Don't knock school, some of the greatest minds in the world dropped out of there.
Teachers have a confirmation bias problem usually because, they have never known anything else. I have a friend that I have started talking decentralization to and she is skeptical that a decentralized education has value. Just wait and see.. :)
Then Billy Wobbledagger, whoever they were, wrote some of the most cutting lines of wit ever penned. Pay attention to someone who's words can cut someone in two and still make it sound a compliment.
Agreed. But I do believe those minds would've probably gone far without school also. They just happened to go to school, I'm sure some even had the good luck of finding good teachers who helped them. But let's be clear, their minds would've been just as great without.
I'm sure school is right for some. Just not for me.
Interesting idea, what exactly do you mean by decentralized education? :)
I know, you can't expect someone who's spent his/her entire life inside a system to see the world outside, it was just very strange to hear her contradict herself so obviously, yet not notice.
They? :)
PS: Thank you for the RS :)
My point is, they left school for a reason and maybe without that catalyst that exemplified the average, they would not have found the extraordinary in themselves.
Build modules that cover the basics and then opensource the rest and let the markets decide more of what is important and valuable.
Oh, there is supposedly pretty good evidence that he didn't write it all.
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Yes, possibly true. Truth is, we have no way to see how things would've happened in different circumstances now. Because try as we might, our judgment is still affected by the things that did happen...
The markets? Shouldn't they, the children, decide what is important and valuable to them?
The children are the markets.
You seem to be following the same path I did. I did a semester and a half of community college (only because I got a scholarship and it was paid for) and then dropped out to make my own way. In my case, I was desperately eager to get out of the house and away from the mother's boyfriend, but my ideological motivations were the same as yours. I wanted to be a writer and the best way to do that was by writing, not sitting in class (or going to college parties, which was why most of my friends seemed to be going).
For the most part it's worked out. I met an amazing woman, learned how to fail in business ventures, stomached a "regular job" for long periods and then took the occasional writing sabbatical with savings. Ultimately I ended up in a place where (for the time being) I'm very grateful to be. It's been no easy road--but then, few are, school or no school.
Ultimately didn't make a living by writing, though...
I will say this (and you can file it with the rest of the unsolicited advice you get): the most important thing about college isn't the education, it's the connections you make there. While I was toughing it out making my own way (had to pay the rent, you know) my friend Caroline Kepnes went off to Brown, took her classes and wrote her fingers to the bone, and ultimately published You and Hidden Bodies, which was subsequently adapted into one of the top-rated programs on Netflix. And she couldn't have done it if she hadn't been such a consummate networker, starting at school.
What's the financing situation in Romania? Are you responsible for paying for your own education? If you don't have to go into debt for it, you might consider trying a year or two just for the experience--more grist for the fictional mill, at the very least. Especially if you're not in a hurry to move into your own place. And you might meet someone there who knows someone that knows someone to get your manuscript on the right desk.
I knew you'd relate :) Yes, I agree the only reason to go to college is to make connections. Well...and to live, but you can do that without college also :D
What a cool coincidence, she was just on my mind, though I haven't read either and hated the You Netflix adaptation (but I do hope the books are better, as I do plan on reading her). Surely, it's a lot to do with networking, but here, at least, I don't think I could make that many worthwhile connections in school, as I do not write in Romanian and any publisher I would need to meet would be for an outside market...
Financially, it's alright as far as I know, they pay for it if you manage to convince them you're smart...
Honestly, I've thought a lot about that, though I do feel ATM that it would take a lot of effort and eat up a lot of my time. I fear I might get lost on the way, you know? Get caught up with school things and have much less time to write and so on...
Yeah, the TV adaptation was fun in it's way, but the biggest problem was that all the characters are so unlikable. TBH, I didn't watch the whole series. But the voice she captures in the book is so unique, and it really gets the flavor of the current social media generation (not to mention the attendant risks) in a way that fiction hasn't caught up with. People in books are still checking their voicemail and responding to email. Kepnes knows that's all bullshit today.
(Also, I was amazed at how many women adore the serial killer character. It's like, he's about the worst boyfriend you can imagine having. And they all want to fantasize about being stalked by him. I've been to the book signings and listened to these women. It's unbelievable.)
Actually, you might want to start with her latest, Providence. It's right up your alley--spooky contemporary horror/fantasy/romance with Lovecraftian overtones. I think it's the most mature, and genuinely touching, thing she's ever written.
Yeah, that's a genuine concern. What if you discover something else that you're good at, and passionate about...and it's not writing?
I guess this gets to the core of the other thing that college is supposed to be about: discovering what you want to do. But you're so driven and connected to your goals already, so maybe you don't need that.
Hmm thank you for the recommendation, I'll definitely check it out :)
The plot was what attracted me to the story in the first place, it's just it was really poorly done in the adaptation. Really? I had no idea people liked that kinda thing. I wouldn't say he's the worst boyfriend (again, only speaking for the series here), as he does want to help her...leaving aside the psycho factor, obviously. But didn't find him that appealing either, so...
I don't want it to be not writing. And while that is technically possible, I do think it's pretty rare having a lot of things you're good at and care about. I think there's a far bigger danger of getting lost in things that aren't so important to you, but that are necessary. Besides, schoolwork is pretty tedious, even if you love literature, and I feel like it might get to the point where when you do get spare time, you won't want to use it up with more reading/writing.
You know how it is, your essay's due, your teacher's a dick etc. Why bother writing something that's most likely not even going to sell?
I don't want to fall into that kind of thinking.
"supposed" being the keyword here, I think. Seems to me a lot of kids pursue a certain degree just to go somewhere (I don't know how it is in the US, but here, there are a few universities where you go just to go, you know? You don't really want to, but you gotta apply somewhere...) and then fall into a job and then career in that field, without actually desiring to or having any real passion for it.
I'm lucky enough to know what I want to do, I suppose. But I know any determination can dissipate in the right circumstances and I'm not going to facilitate those circumstances. :)
This is the servings post I've read today, that's got me thinking along the lines of the expectations of education, both from completely different angles. Why do we now have the expectation that for anyone to be anything they have to have attended the "official" education system and have the certificate to prove it? It wasn't all that long ago when U universities didn't exist as we know them. Or did that Billy Shakespeare go to university to be able to call himself a writer?
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My point exactly - whenever someone tells me I should go, I'm always interested to know if that will make my career then? Is it really that easy? Of course it's not and I always enjoy it when people back off and kinda squirm for an answer, you know? Like no, it won't but ahem..it's just what is done..
Like that was ever a good reason for anything.
It's interesting to see there is more and more interest in experience over diploma. Seems to me we're moving forward and it's much easier now to become something based on actual skill/talent than on a piece of paper. Shame that some don't see it yet, though...
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