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RE: Omise/OmiseGO Ecosystem Primer

in #omisego7 years ago (edited)

This is not description of a decentralized project.
I meant to reply here, but I accidentally posted in another post so I'll paste here:

OmiseGo fails at PoS security

In PoS distribution = security.

OmiseGo was distributed in pre-sale to limited number of people that even required AML/KYC, so not permissionless sale. Obviously, AML/KYC doesn't prevent sybil attack as anyone can buy identities/people to buy tokens for them.

Effectively they used a permissioned sale with a cap (making it easy to displace other people) to distribute coins to be used for PoS where coin distribution provides security.

  • 65.1% - capped permissioned ICO = decentralization fail
  • 20% - premine they keep = decentralization fail
  • 9.9% - premine team keeps = decentralization fail
  • 5% - airdrop on eth (also premined/ICO'ed eth) = too little to make a diff

source.

OmiseGo failed at decentralization already

Centralized company in control

  • The company and its members hold 29.9% of coins
  • The company has full control over $19m from capped sale
  • Most of the value comes from connections in Asia Omise has

This means Omise can do any changes (e.g. taking others money or censorship) with a fork and then:

  • Decide which blockchain is called OmiseGo (OMG)
  • Use premine to damage value of any original chains dissenting from Omise company decisions
  • Hold updates and ICO funding hostage to keep all value on their chain
  • Control of codebase where they can set changes to default
  • Force all the business connections of Omise to only operate with chain of their choosing

All of these were done by Ethereum in the past to subjectively & forcefully confiscate $100m+ and censor an unknown user.

Decentralization is measured by being resistant to attacks from an individual or organization. Omise, themselves or under influence of external force, can single handedly destroy the value and thus incentives for the entire network at any time or even use their stake to attack it.

There is nothing effectively decentralized about governance decisions on their network with enormous advantage given by massive premine and ICO.

OmiseGo will not be decentralized

Plasma is unsecure & not scalable

  • Fraud proofs do not work because they make it profitable for everyone to cheat the system (thread)


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Everything OmiseGo hopes to do has already been done in decentralized manner.

Not important. But why not mention they had 0 reason to create OmiseGo other than to raise money. And it's still vaporware that's for 0 reason valued higher than projects doing everything they hope to do since 2014. Well, there is 1 reason - it was marketed to the most tech-illiterate community in crypto next to onecoin - ethereum community with 0 talented developers, 0 innovation, and 0 tech since no one intelligent would ever choose to be associated with proven fraud of a project and went into other projects like altcoins a year ago. But that's exactly the type of community that happens to be stupid enough to throw most money at ICO's.

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I love the enthusiasm but...

  • 25 million divided by 1 ETH each was a very reasonable limit. Public presale that required registration helped ensure distribution
  • 513341 token holders
  • Those are pretty weak arguments against plasma. For example - if it was doing 1 billion tx/s and was successfully attacked it could take years for people to get their money back. Doesn't that also mean at Visa's 24,000 tx/s level it would take no more than a few minutes?
  • I know of other decentralized exchanges but no other blockchain acts as the settlement layer for real life transactions
  • Those people who bought at the ICO are up about 25X on their investment.
  • Lastly, I trust the team - they're awesome humble individuals who look for "win-win" solutions.
  • most of 513341 token holders is the 5% airdrop, doesn't count, 29.9% + part of airdrop held by 1 group, 65.1% held by few dozen people that could easily all working together and no one else can enter b/c cap, 5% distributed to give a fancy number like 513341 holders that means virtually nothing at fraction of a %.

  • registration doesn't help distribution, it limits it, and easily gameable and limited only to people who can do it.

Those people who bought at the ICO are up about 25X on their investment.

eth and onecoin are centralized vaporware and wereup a lot too, go figure, fraud pays off in crypto despite all experts universally despising onecoin/ethereum

doesn't make it more decentralized. plus only a few permissioned people were able to get in anyway - problem with the premine.

Omise is backed by mega money and far from being a decentralized exchange is looking to become thailand / Southeast Asia's #1 payments processor and e-payment provider. A fine, mighty corporate (centralized) model. For a true decentralized exchange, wait for Bitshares DEX Thailand which will be operational soon. Check @apasia.tech for further details ...

fud!!! fud!!!., keep buying shitcoin buddy. omg to the moon in 2018

VladZamfir Vlad Zamfir tweeted @ 17 Sep 2017 - 13:13 UTC

The main problem with plasma is the child chains don't survive 51% censorship attacks on the main chain

petertoddbtc Peter Todd tweeted @ 10 Aug 2017 - 07:56 UTC

Sounds like I need to do a writeup on why fraud proofs don't work...

Also, Plasma's description of Treechains comp… twitter.com/i/web/status/8…

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