Beware the Echo Chamber

in #bias7 years ago

Most of my friends are likeminded individuals with similar values with respect to society as I do: we believe in protecting the environment, health care for all, free education, a minimum wage, and other aspects of governance looked at as a form of socialism. While most of my friends and I were not pro-Hillary, we were very anti-Trump, and because of the confirming opinions of those we talked to, thought it was nearly pre-determined that last November's presidential election would result in Hillary Clinton as president. We ignored our own echo chamber and never considered the opinions of many outside it.

Everyone on steem thinks Dan Larimer is a visionary, while many off it seem to think the exact opposite.

Examples:

Tone Vays particularly has been extremely outspoken against Steem. While some of his criticisms are unfounded and outdated (i.e. censorship and inflation issues), he raises many concerns about the initial month of mining and how large a stake the founders built before switching to witnesses.

Bitshares is older than steem, and many people view that as a scammy as well because of connections to Banx and the dev team working on new projects while bitshares platforms remained undeveloped. The infomerical-like presentation by Stan Larimer given a month ago (I can no longer find it on youtube, it was originally linked in this post) where he sounded more like a snake-oil salesman -- telling everyone in the crowd they could be millionaires if they owned bitshares -- than someone describing blockchain technology didn't help.

Now that EOS is being released, crypto people are not just throwing shade at Dan, but at EOS:

This blog isn't about discussing the merits and faults of the anti-Steem, anti-Bitshares, anti-EOS arguments, but it's about recognizing the echo chamber, and trying to avoid confirmation bias.

A blog post I read a while back on lesswrong discussed how politics is a mind-killer:

Politics is an extension of war by other means. Arguments are soldiers. Once you know which side you're on, you must support all arguments of that side, and attack all arguments that appear to favor the enemy side; otherwise it's like stabbing your soldiers in the back—providing aid and comfort to the enemy.

People who blog on steemit are generally pro steemit: we use the platform, understand how it works, invest time and energy into writing posts, and are rewarded for it. But being pro steemit leads to de facto being pro Dan Larimer and all other related projects because being against one of them is being against all of them: we are steemit's soldiers and we must defend it and related projects.

I remember when bitshares price rose suddenly from $0.06 USD to over $0.40 USD over the course of a couple days and there were many rejoicing blogposts of users basically writing "I told you so". I was curious as to why the price increased so rapidly: the HERO was announced over a month before and there was no new news, just a sudden increase in price for seemingly no reason. I speculated it was because of high lending rates, and while there was indeed a come down once the lending rates dropped, the entire crypto market shifted downwards as well, so my hypothesis was likely not the primary source of the uptick.

The best explanation I can come up with as to why bitshares rose from under a penny to over $0.40 a coin in such a short period of time is the echo chamber: people on steem, in the bitshares community, and in small crypto circles buying more because likeminded people tout it. The technology is undoubtedly fantastic, but that doesn't explain growth like this in a 3-year old coin over the course of 5 weeks:

The Meta Echo Chamber

Echo chambers, particularly ones with a reward system, can lead to a positive feedback loop.

During the YourBTCC polls determining what coin would be featured on their exchanges, there were many pro-steem blogs, urging people to vote.

Before I go further, I want to say how obviously passionate @Ehiboss is about steemit: he has posted more in 2 months here than I've posted in a year, and his enthusiasm is present in every post. I don't mean to call him out because I admire the genuine passion, but I want to look at this exchange I had with him without the benefit of hindsight on one of his steem cheerleading blogs:

Ehiboss joined the platform in April and at the time I remember him at the time having <30 steem in his account. I don't mean to disparage him for his lack of investment at the time, but he was so new here and so uninvested in it, was he actually steem all the way? Did he feel that passionately, or did he just think other people felt that passionately? Did he post stuff like that because he thought it's what other people want to hear? Or because he thinks it's what other people think he should think? Or did he simply post it because it would be rewarded?

Likewise, there have been many pro-EOS posts claiming bold things about its future and potential. Sure people writing blogs might think extremely highly of EOS potential, but pro-EOS posts are rewarded on this platform. Extreme pro-EOS posters may like the project, but post over the top complements because they think that's what their followers think, or they think that's what their followers want to hear and will reward with upvotes, or that they think this is what other people think they think about EOS.

It reminds me of the Keynesian Beauty Contest:

Keynes described the action of rational agents in a market using an analogy based on a fictional newspaper contest, in which entrants are asked to choose the six most attractive faces from a hundred photographs. Those who picked the most popular faces are then eligible for a prize.
A naive strategy would be to choose the face that, in the opinion of the entrant, is the most handsome. A more sophisticated contest entrant, wishing to maximize the chances of winning a prize, would think about what the majority perception of attractive is, and then make a selection based on some inference from his knowledge of public perceptions. This can be carried one step further to take into account the fact that other entrants would each have their own opinion of what public perceptions are. Thus the strategy can be extended to the next order and the next and so on, at each level attempting to predict the eventual outcome of the process based on the reasoning of other rational agents.

The meta echo chamber continues to spiral upwards into a frenzy, shaping markets, and providing positive reinforcement for the initial frenzy. Guided groupthink is powerful in markets, and we can be rewarded for it by rising investments, but it may not necessarily be a reflection of what is happening in the real world and the true valuation of things.

I want to reiterate that this blog is not taking a negative position on Dan Larimer or his projects.

I admire Dan, love and use steem, own bitshares, and will probably invest in the EOS at some point in the year long ICO. I am merely pointing out that people outside of this platform feel very differently, and this polarization only grows over time, and that we should all be very wary of it, not just here, but in all aspects of life. Again, why do you think Trump is president and his base continues to support him while his opposition grows more intense daily?

Good rules to live by:

  • Don't tell people what you think they want to hear.
  • Don't tell people what you think they think you think.
  • Be straightforward, rational, and say what you actually think.

I want to close with a Charlie Munger quote that I find particularly vital in avoiding echo chambers and the resulting effects:

“I never allow myself to have an opinion on anything that I don't know the other side's argument better than they do.”


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@daut44 Interesting thoughts on the cryptoverse, especially tied to things we encounter every day (politics).

I think that the investment in the platform has to be equal/level between users and developers. The focus is for each Steemer to create content for others to enjoy. As soon as the community and developers move to a straight consumption model like other mainstream social media sites, Steemit and Steem will be on the road to ruin.

With this said, the ball of excitement and energy for the platform is rolling, and barring a major shock to the system, has so much potential for so many.

Viva Steemit!

Spot on.

The echo chamber effect is also notorious on the two bitcoin reddit forums, as I've touched earlier.

I haven't been much active on steemit, but I'm quite worried about the Keynesian beauty contest effect - particularly now that upvotes on comments seems to give a quite good payout. Well, if nothing else it's probably good that people are encouraged to be polite and friendly in the comments.

a good read, though i take issue with the "agree with all...or nothing" position by these quotes:

"Politics is an extension of war by other means. Arguments are soldiers. Once you know which side you're on, you must support all arguments of that side, and attack all arguments that appear to favor the enemy side; otherwise it's like stabbing your soldiers in the back—providing aid and comfort to the enemy."

and:

"But being pro steemit leads to de facto being pro Dan Larimer and all other related projects because being against one of them is being against all of them: we are steemit's soldiers and we must defend it and related projects."

i've never been much for being the "all of one or all of another" kind of thinking. it sounds too much like "you're either with us or against us," and
i think it very much removes the (vital) importance of nuance in pretty much every situation.

otherwise, a great read!

I personally agree, and that's how I would expect most people to feel, but then you see politics discussions grow increasingly polarized over time and wonder how many people are truly rational about it. It's easier to stay logical when not having a horse in the race, but once you back a side, human nature makes it incredibly difficult to back down.

Great post.

Not trying to self-promote, but I did a writeup on the pro-steemit posts and likened it to marketing and advertising. Steem will grow if it continues to provide value to its users and I think it's demonstrated that soundly in the past year.

As far as Vays goes ... he lives in the 'Bitcoin Maximalism' echo chamber, which is absolutely toxic because their active mindset is to denounce all competitors, as opposed to promoting the value proposition of something.

In regards to Bitshares climb -- I had been watching it closely and attribute the climb to a few things:

  1. growth of steem, blocktrades and openledger
  2. decentralized exchange demand (got spooked from Poloniex for a number of reasons)
  3. speed of transactions
  4. low fees
  5. proven track record
  6. rumors of future potential synergy with EOS , decentralized margin trading, etc.

Those, at least, were my reasonings for buying into Bitshares.

I think the greatest antidote for the echochamber is dissident voices being heard and not censored or shouted down. There is a pretty strong diversity of thought (political and otherwise) here on Steem and I think that adds to the overall health.

I think I rambled far too much for this comment. Again, great post :)

One thing I left out of my bitshares description this time is that much of the rise occurred after it was confirmed that EOS crowdsale would be done on the ETH blockchain.

I know Tone Vays position, but just as I try to separate the positive things about bitshares tech and steemit from the negatives/criticisms, I try to parse his legitimate knocks from his bogus ones. The man notated the entire whitepaper with criticisms, it was worth working through to see the other side.

You can never ramble too much, ramble more IMO

putting it on the ETH was a wise strategic move and i think the BTS was an indicator that the market agreed.

I saw Vays tweet storm with the annotated white paper. in our debate, it boiled down to his belief that

a) the economics could not add up because content has no value (objective or subjective);
b) it was a scam because the blockchain can't be verified to be true; and
c) his opinion is more valuable because reasons

while he may have made other coherent points in his tweets, Steem evolves around the users and witnesses use of the blockchain to provide transparency. it IS NOT supposed to be like Bitcoin because it has a different use case and a different value proposition.

we did not end our conversation on good terms. :P

Have you studied Austrian Economics at all? It has nothing to do with the country of Austria; that's just what the school of thought is called.

People hear "economics" and think BORING! But there's something refreshingly enlightening about it. The world makes so much more sense after educating myself on these principles. Among many other things, understanding it has allowed me to learn far more about human behavior, and as it turns out, this is quite lucrative.

It will challenge your views about a lot of things, in particular some of the aspects of government you say you support in this post.

I never allow myself to have an opinion on anything that I don't know the other side's argument better than they do.

You have this quote in your post, so I'm going to leave it here. If you haven't studied Austrian Economics, I think you should understand the principles before coming to the conclusions you've come to. Plus, I think it will help make you very rich.

A couple good introductory books are:
Economics In One Lesson by Henry Hazlett
How An Economy Grows and Why It Crashes by Peter Schiff

Wow very interesting ideas and comments.

A coin has two sides
Morning is accompanied by night

Great reminder to focus on both sides of an issue no matter how hard you fall in love with the tech

I'll toss in a MMA question as well. How do you think Jon Jones is going to look when he returns in the post USADA era? Most of the "killers" have had a terrible time with the new testing

He'll be more tentative and a little rusty. Am interested to see how he starts fighting if he's down 1 or 2 rounds.

Followed @daut44 - have you ever heard the story of the "Tulipmania"?

@daut44 r/ ethtrader has the same problem. Its become an echo chamber. Now they are attacking EOS on their now. I used to be much better when Ether was smaller market size. Now a bunch lambo crazied maniacs complaining that the price is not at $1000 already. Tony Vans has attacked every coin that was not Bitcoin. That God he is not my financial advisor!

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