LET'S TALK ABOUT PALnet: I've mixed thoughts so far; what is your first impression?
 | In my previous post I introduced many of you, my dear readers, to an interesting Airdrop launched by PALnet.io. |
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INTRODUCTION
Right away it seemed to be very obvious that their marketing campaign has been very efficient - almost everyone I know had already heard about this social media platform.
I've noticed solid hype around this project and the team behind it.
And the general strong believe that PALnet will do well in the future.
But will it really do well?
Today, just 2 weeks later I decided to share with you all my little experience with this platform. However my goal is mostly to find out what other people think about PALnet. What are the strengths and weaknesses of this social media platform? I wonder how many people believe that PAL token has actually a future and how many of us would actually use PALnet.io site instead of steemit.com (or other front ends).
SIMILARITIES AND DIFFERENCES
Visually at the first glance PALnet does look like just another "clone" of Steemit.com as the interface isn't that much different. The initial question raised in my head: why do we need another front-end, that looks like a copy of an old one from Steemit ?(which is not really considered to be user-friendly)
Below I will share a few spotted differences and hopefully some of you can add few more, which i didn't spot in the first place.
So let's start with the obvious:
- PAL reward system is 50/50 (authors/curators), which is exactly the way Steemit will be after HF21 (Hard Fork 21)
- we receive our full rewards in PAL tokens. So we can trade 100% of our rewards right away without the need of powering down (unsteaking).
- wallet is simplified and is "build in" (which makes it so convinient to use it; it used to be that way on Steemit in the past)
- only posts with "PALNET" tag are being displayed
- PROMOTED - publications from this tab are also being displayed on the "trending" page (I found it a great step in the right direction as we need to find ways
Anything else? Oh yeah. There is one more drastic change. The one that put's me off the most from using PALnet.io: DISSAPEARING COMMENTS
DISSAPEARING COMMENTS on PALnet.io
This is in my opinion on one of the biggest issues with this platform. Regardless how much I initially believed in the future of PALnet and how I appreciate the work done by their developers, I must to say that this problem can be a nail to the coffin. For some unknown reason this platform isn't displaying all comments. Please allow me to share example of the very same post being displayed both: on Steemit and PALnet.io:
When I noticed it for the first time I was like: WTF???!?!?!?
Do you guys see the problem?How can 240 comments simply "dissapear"? That's like over 60% comments not being displayed. I also checked the "Replies" tab and it's not any different. Many users comments I usually would be able to see while using Steemit or Steempeak - are simply not being shown on PALnet.io. I believe this is a serious issue, one that should be solved by developers ASAP.
I'm pretty sure that there is some good technical reason behind it, however it's also important to understand that this is the biggest threat for PALnetp People will simply not care about a technical explanations and they will stop using PALnet.io to browse and engage with others if this continues. I may be wrong, but that's at least how I see it.
FINAL THOUGHTS / SHARE YOUR OPINION
I really do wish PALnet and their team all the best, to the point that I invested my own time in promoting their airdrop and I also invested part of my own STEEM into PAL tokens. However personally I'm not planning to use this platform to navigate and engage with other users until problem of "invisible comments" will be fixed.
I would also like to ask all readers about your own experience with PALnet.io. Could you share own opinion with me? Did you spot any other meaningful differences between Steemit and PALnet? Is there any reason to believe that PAL tokens will have a future? What is your own experience with this platform so far?
Please do share your thoughts with me. I read, reply and upvote all quality comments.
Additional important question:
Does anyone know what actually does happen to rewards if I upvote post on Steemit published by someone, who doesn't have account on PALnet? This person won't receive his 50% of PAL reward. So does it mean that that 50% is being waster / burned? Or perhaps in that case as curator I will receive 100% of reward as a curator?
Yours,
Piotr
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I really like the idea for PAL and I use it all the time now, yes things will be much better after HF21
Hi @mrme1984
Thank you for your comment. I was wondering if you've also noticed those dissapearing comments? I'm trying to figure out why so many comments are being displayed on Steemit (and other platforms) and they are hidden/invisible on Palnet.
Yours
Piotr
I assume that those users not part of PAL
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When you are in PALnet, post articles or voting, it is also published at STEMMIT.com and voting is completed.
You can at the same time Get PAL coin and Steem coin...
So pay attention to the power level between the two..
PALnet is a good start. If they can do the economics better than Steem then I will not power down my PALnet tokens like I am doing with Steem. The Steem economy does not work and I really hope the lessons are learned.
Dear @dana-edwards
The problem I see is the fact ,that PALnet economy is build on top of STEEM economy. So if price of STEEM will be tanking, then PAL tokens will also become worthless :(
Hi @crypto.piotr,
Thank you for this nice post. I quite like palnet but I believe it is a bit complicated for most of us to understand what and how Palnet works. I try to give some explanaitions but I'm not sure to be right about it ;-):
Palnet is actually a standardised product developed by @aggroed and his team on steem-engine called SCOT that allows you to run your own cryptocurrency on steem using a community website. So if we look at palnet, steemleo or other similar communities, they will come with a similar layout and concept.
Does palnet have a future?
I believe that Planet is a really nice and intersting project and I always keep in mind that I can use palcoin to upvote my posts through @minnowsupport. So there is a sink for which the coin can be used. Palnet has another big advantage. With other scot projects coming alive every day, planet has the advantage that it has already a big community that has staked palcoins. So if a user tries to get the maximum out of his post, he will use the tag where he has most staked coins. Since there is only space for 5 tags per posts, it might be difficult for new communities to take palnets place.
Best regards,
Achim
Dear @achim03
Amazing comment. Seriously I appreciate.
I also figured out that disappearing comments have something to do with PALnet userbase. I'm not sure what's the advantage of this solution. Right now I'm trying to use PALnet.io to engage with people.
However all I have learned is that once I reply to everyone, I still need to visit my own profile via any other front-end (most likely Steemit) to spot those comments I didn't have a chance to read and reply yet.
Other people are in very similar position and my impression is, that most will stop using palnet.io sooner than later.
Don't you think that it's a real problem and put-off? I wish palnet developers would do something about it before they will lose most of their traffic on their site.
Sink? Meaning? You send PAL tokens to upvote your posts on Steemit via minnowsupport, right? And those tokens are burned (send to null)? Is that right?
ps.
A bit off-topic: wouldn't you think that people selling their steem and buying all those new tokens available on steem-engine can be a main reason for current drop of steem price? (increased selling pressure)?
Yours
Piotr
Hi piotr,
Thank you for answering my comment.
Excactly
I believe that you are quite right about that. I couldn't find out yet why there is an impact on the steem/usd price but I believe that a lot of users sell their steem to buy Palcoin or all the tons of other coins.
I also witnessed that the prices for cards on steemmonsters are increasing constantly. Meaning that there is a big demand for them. I believe that this creates an inderect selling pressure and could well be the trigger for the bigger sell off of steem.
Best regards my friend,
Achim
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I think that PAL net will be around for a long time.
I believe the reason for so-called disappearing comments is simply the person leaving the comment is not a PALnet member. Yes it can be confusing, however PALnet allows for a new start for people that have been slammed and banged about in steemit and are constantly having their comments greyed out by individuals or groups. Also PALnet does take steps to protect it's users, and will ban/block people from their portal if needed. Many will see this as censorship, but there are a few common sense rules that are and will be enforced on PALnet. No action taken on the PALnet side will effect how an individuals post are viewed on steemit or other front ends.
As for the 50/50 split, that is only on your PAL tokens. They are not taking 50% of your steem token rewards from your steemit post or other front end post. You are actually getting two payouts on PALnet post. Steem and PAL
It is my understanding that if you vote on a post that does not have #palnet as a tag then you are not spending any of your PALnet Vote Power on that post. So you get no curation reward. If a non palnet member uses the #palnet tag, I am not sure what would happen, I would like to think that the non-used 50% would go to the token burn pile, but like you I am not sure on that.
The nice thing about the scot-tribes/communities, is you do not need to use their front end. You can stay on steemit and see all the comments, vote on a post and if #palnet is in the tag of that post you will be automatically curating with your PALnet vote.
If an individual has grown completely tired of any of the other front ends because of harassment, then they can spend the vast majority of their time on PAlnet and not be bothered by the Steemian, or Leoians or any of the other front end groups. If you are on PALnet you will not see comments from non-palnet users in you replies box. Like wise you will not see comments you made to non-palnet post in your comment box.
A separate yet shared platform experience. Think back to the very early days of the internet prior to netscape and mozilla web browsers, when there was AOL, and CompuServe, If you wanted to see something on AOL you had to be a member, if you wanted to see something on CompuServe you had to be a member of their system, web browsers changed all that. One day there will be a block browser that will change the separation but shared concept.
THIS. Separate tribes. Separate comments. The comments aren't "disappearing". It's an intended feature IMO.
It is, and I think an important feature. You can still earn steem coins and PAL tokens. People confuse what is decentralized and what is not. The block chain steem is decentralized, not the tribes, they are like private little islands sprinkled through out the steem block chain. Make to much of a ruckus, harass to many island dwellers, and it back in the ocean for you; to swim with, or be eaten by, the other sharks.
To reiterate what I answered directly to this post, there is no such thing as a palnet account. If you have a steem account you already have a palnet account, they aren't two separate things. You could interact with palnet without ever using palnet.io. It's all dependant on using the palnet tag on your posts, that's it. And yes your PAL VP is ignored if you vote a post that doesn't have the tag and no PAL rewards are distributed.
The idea is to be token agnostic when voting on the same blockchain. Hence it should not be required (in my view) to use any particular front end to vote with a particular token.
I think this is where we are heading to... I hope it continues that way.
!BEER to that!
Oh yeah, you don't need to be logged on PALnet to vote, if you are on steemit, esteem, partiko, or what have you if a post you vote on has #palnet as a tag, then you voted with your PALnet shares also. The hard part is going to be having all the front ends have the same number of allowable tags. I don't know how they do it but I have seen post with 8 or more tags, so they are covered for a lot of secondary votes, until the coin makers limit the vote power to the first 5 or 6 tags that is.
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Drar @bashadow
I very much appreciate your amazing comment.
I already realized that all comments are visible. Just counter is misleading on PALnet and it doesn't really count all comments.
Personally I found it scary. Even scarier than risk of being banned on Facebook, youtube or twitter. After all PALnet doesn't provide any customer service and communication channels with their team are very limited (pretty much not existing, especially for those who do not use Discord). Plus PALnet doesnt send you any clear notification about being banned :(
Censorship is necessary, but if one decide to censor content then lack of communication will be a problem. Simply because mistakes will be happening and sometimes random people will end up being banned for very little issues.
Can you imagie building your presence on platform and being banned without being notified about it?
Yours
Piotr
Can you imagine throwing a pool party for your 16 year old daughter and having a group of people crash your daughters party and then start throwing insults at her and threats at you, and peeing in your pool?
I have seen post with literally hundreds of ignorant, rude, and inappropriate gif's and meme's. Banning and blocking that type of behavior is not censorship. That is taking the person out of society and putting them in jail for wrong doing. Mistakes happen in every criminal justice system, there will always be some innocent people being jailed. There are ways to appeal the process available for the users. "--
After all PALnet doesn't provide any customer service and communication channels--" PALnet does have a discord chat room and a place to make appeals.Insults are free speech? Think about that for a moment or two.
Threats are free speech? Think about some of those gif's and comments.
Pissing in a pool free speech? I do not think that is art any more than pissing on a flag.
PALnet, the last I read about the situation is that they will allow one post every 24 hours. This allows a chance to straighten things out, all of these Child sites of steem block chain are trying to find a balance between user safety and experience, and censorship.
Dear @bashadow
Thank you for your prompt reply.
Your example is very extreme but I do get your point.
Exactly. PALnet (and many others) seem to limit communication channels only to discord. Hardly anyone I know does use discord. And that's the sad reality.
And it hardly matters if they are on discord or not. What matters is that even on this channel most of them are hardly responsive. Together with a friend we've tried to reach out to them asking about those not-visible comments and having few other questions. And we've failed to receive any reply ever.
Yours
Piotr
Up to this point PIFC is just staking all earnings to help reward our members with additional post rewards when we vote. Haven't bothered to test the platform as we need to see all posts for our efforts, but have considered creating a palnet only account to use all VP on just PAL posts.
Personally, I never caught onto the excitement and still haven’t really got the value proposition.
Frankly, I think it just makes things more complicated.
For a handful of people on Steem who are open to being impressed with some new novelty derivative, it seems to be great. Though for anyone who’d be freshly entering the Steem ecosystem and/or investors investigating Steem, it’d likely be more confusing and off-putting than something that is straightforward and has clear value.
Just my two cents.
Dear @rok-sivante
I just realized that I never actually thanked you for your amazing comment. I absolutely appreciate it.
Your welcome. 🙏
Please stop spamming my wallet with links to your opinion. I won't downvote you today. If you choose to ignore my suggestion and would prefer to continue sending wallet spam, your new fee is 10SBD per memo. Thanks!
Dear @nonameslefttouse
I will follow your request and I will do my best not to bother you again in the future.
ps. I didn't send any memo to you lately.
Yours
Piotr
Hey. So, for a VERY long time, you'd send wallet spam. THAT wallet spam from YOUR account ceased after YOU had been told to stop sending wallet spam. Not long after that, I continued to receive wallet spam from OTHER accounts directing me to YOUR posts. Hmm? What a coincidence! You were warned to stop, so instead of stopping, you started telling others to do it, or using alt accounts.
So what happens now? You will either tell those people to stop, or stop using alt accounts to send me wallet spam.
You're behind it, you know it, don't play PRETEND. I'm not in the mood for games.
I may have been born at night; but it wasn't last night.
^drama
@enforcer48
Already used my dramatoken call for the day. I think it's every 24 hours but could be wrong.
@inertia, if you have a moment, could you let us know how often can we invoke?
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You can call drama until the voting power will no longer let you.
!dramatoken
Oh come on! Can't someone just make a humor token so we can all laugh at my little outbursts? Look how I'm improving! I didn't even use foul language! Is there like a good job token I can get?
I would be the kind of the wrong guy to mess with you... I am sure of it... but, if you so bring subject matter up "for whatever reason" (being that right or wrong, not judging that), why can't I do the same right?
Blockchain tech is still quite transparent... everything you do is mostly visible or tracked... who does not know that is naive, stupid, or not skilled enough to understand the technology they are using.
Everyone has his opinion and if this is a social network, respect will be important for being respected... but, what is the essence of personalities in here? Why people care? is it because there is humanity in the blockchain? is it because characters prove words? is this legally bound to your will?
So many questions I envision for the future...
Do whatever you want. I was simply annoyed with that member and his spamming. The lie was unnecessary. I'm slightly annoyed with his post and the amount of confusion it caused over something so SIMPLE (how Palnet handles comments differently than Steemit, calling a feature an error, not being able to figure out simplicity, then claiming something so tiny will be the end game, then boosting these nonsensical ramblings up with paid votes...), plus he acts like a brown noser, and everything else here was me just joking around. I thought it was funny to point out how I didn't use the fucking f-word.
As for much of what you said, I'm sorry, I don't really know what you're talking about.
😜 I need to read more I guess.. I am the one failing to understand... probably! Usually when I understand I either educate or don't comment. But sometimes, comments get loose... and curiosity against others... get in the way.
At the moment I just jumped in... not been following... unfortunately I can't do it for even 10% of what I foresee... so it becomes hard.
I could start a dissertation right here... but for now I will control myself. And get a !BEER for myself too.
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I'd be stackin' ear muffs all day long.
Well until then here is a little steem and pal to stack ;)
Never seen a post of @nonameslefttouse with foul language... can you point me some on one of my posts... thanks.
“Humor token” I like that!
Try !BEER instead.
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DRAMAgo to steem-engine.com.No difference between palnet and steemit except for rewards and wallet section. The project is still new and I hope they fix whatever is making the comments disappear
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Hi @crypto.piotr, I'll try to answer your questions the best way I can from my own understanding.
Disappearing comments - I don't know if the write word to use is disappearing, don't get me wrong, you see when I post and put the various tags, not just palnet but spt, leo, weed, sct and others that have UIs'. I open all of them in different browsers and notice the count for comments on Steemit (higher) is different from that of others which are mostly lower.
The point here is that it doesn't add up to what I have on Steemit.com, so it isn't a matter of it coming and then disappearing but rather that it didn't come at all. I am reasoning that it is only comments of users that have that particular token that are reflected or if it is members who comment on that particular platform shows up. Just guess on that one.
what actually does happen to rewards if I upvote post on Steemit published by someone, who doesn't have account on PALnet? - I think they still get their share of the 50% curation, I say this because I didn't buy any Sports token but have been curating members who have been earning it and for that I have been receiving my share of the curation, I only just staked them when I got over 200+ of the sports token.
Based on that and since they are all Steem-Engine tokens, I believe it should be the same for the PAL curation.
I don't think I am looking at just Palnet.io but rather on all the tokens Steem-Engine has given life to. I read most of their whitepaper, many of them have been waiting for SMT and even given up hope of their business coming into existence because SMT hasn't still manifested.
Steem-Engine has given live to all of this in a very short time and I am willing to be patient with them solving the issues that come up with developments such as they have done.
Speempeak is also doing a lot of integration of all these new stuff we are seeing into their UI.
We should remember that all these developments are within a short period of about 4 months.
Thanks.
Dear @ketcom
Thank you for your brilliant comment. love it!
I also don't know if it's the right word, but since we both understand each other then let's use this description :)
So I kind of figured already out, that "disappearing comments" have something to do with PALnet userbase. I'm not sure what's the advantage of this solution. Right now I'm trying to use PALnet.io to engage with people.
However all I have learned is that once I reply to everyone, I still need to visit my own profile via any other front-end (most likely Steemit) to spot those comments I didn't have a chance to read and reply yet.
Other people are in very similar position and my impression is, that most will stop using palnet.io sooner than later.
Do you personally know why people are expecting SMT so much? What will it allow businesses that steem-engine doesn't? I've been trying to figure out lately but so far I'm failing.
ps. I've noticed that you're receiving some Daily Earnings from minnowsupport. Would you mind telling me how does it work?
Did you delegate PAL? And how much did you delegate/stake to minnowsupport? Would you consider this profitable? Just curious.
Also any idea who is behind Steempeak?
Yours,
Piotr
@crypto.piotr just check the team section here https://steempeak.com/about ;)
Thank you @asgarth. I must be blind :)
I didn't know how to find "about" section from your main site. Now I already know.
Is there any way to reach out to you via DM?
Yours
Piotr
Discord, both via DM or joining the SteemPeak channel here https://discord.gg/kgE7ass