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RE: Steem Voting Subscription Services - Acceptable or Not?

in #newsteem7 years ago

I'm very thankful for your comment on my post. I also have no problem with you dropping a link to any post you've made on the subject. They do get buried so maybe you need a standout title and image or something.

I hope you find some of the discussions here useful. It's interesting to me to hear how small accounts, new accounts and charities really like SBI.

Thanks for clearing a few things up about how SBI works. I'm glad you are evolving and considering changes. I will edit my post to make it clear you responded and to alter a few things that were errors, or I've come to understand since writing it.

This feature attracts very minimal abuse because the time to ROI is very long. It's the mechanism that contest uses, and that results in SBI supporting many valuable causes and accounts. We still believe this model is net-positive for Steem, and we don't plan to change it.

I actually agree it's great in theory and actually looks quite good on a lot of those network webs you are posting. There is potential for abuse and I am sure you look into it case-by-case when it comes up.

Delegation is also a common way for whale accounts to get consistent large upvotes. We are considering making adjustments to the calculations to decrease the benefits of delegation some. My preference here would be for members to earn a fair return on delegation, while allowing it to skew toward supporting smaller accounts instead of whales.

I don't really have a huge issue with being rewarded for delegations. Delegations are a very important part of Steem and getting a reasonable return is fair and encourages people to power-up. I do like the idea that you are considering a cap, especially now that people cannot delegate to bid bots and you may be receiving more. It would be neat to see how many people want to get the maximum possible out of the service.

We would like to phase out upvoting bonuses completely over a period of 10 to 12 weeks.

I'm glad you noticed the account upvoting is the biggest issue post HF21. It did work out fine before and I don't think a lot of people were using all of their VP like this. I'm not even sure how you would notice unless someone reported. I think phasing this is a good idea. Maybe going down to an intermediate level of like 50% would be neat to see if it still attracts some people. I do know people use this to get rid of excessive VP (like auto votes when VP reaches 100%), so there will always be a use for it, even though there are other options.

Doing away with the comment/post vote trading alone will probably ensure that SBI is on top of things until the next major fork which I believe is SMT and I do know you are already collecting tokens which is great. When it comes to SMTs I guess you can change how you operate in a given community according to their consensus and mechanics.

Regarding the other stuff about downvoting battles, this post wasn't entirely about SBI. However, I'm glad to hear your reasonable opinions and history on the matter.

I don't know of any specific cases where you've been downvoted and didn't think you were the type to revenge. Curangel and OCD are in quite the war right now. I think you guys will have reasonable discussions before it comes to anything like that and would hate to see something like that happen any more than it already does with SBI or anyone with an eye out for the bigger picture for that matter.

I think it's good to ask when you are downvoted and your thinking is exactly in line with mine on that. I don't always say why I've downvoted someone (especially if it's clearly abuse and already has an explanation). However, I would definitely address the matter if I was called out (I do get a little annoyed when people call me out on unrelated posts, but I don't always check mentions.).

We have never penalized any member or canceled their subscriptions for speaking out against SBI (though when people are publicly critical, they often request us to cancel their subscriptions or assign to somebody else).

I think this is the most interesting thing for discussion here. I don't think people who want to quit are entitled to much, but it is interesting you consider moving the subscription in some cases. Unless someone is causing havoc ends up on blacklists or asks for it, they probably don't deserve their subscription to be canceled for expressing their opinion.

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