Yuck! — It Never Should’a Come to This

in #steemsilvergold6 years ago (edited)

Good morning friends,

And a somber one it is for this tag. I have volunteered to write this post after speaking it over with several veterans of the tag and one very prominent somewhat new-comer. It is not in my habit, nor in my usual modus operandi, to name names. But in this particular case transparency is key, so, i have been given permission by some of my fellow members to speak our mind.

Ray Brockman, silverstackeruk, welshstacker and pit-bullion and thedamus

Before i say anything else however, i wish to defend myself against claims that i am a bully, or a liar, or that i should be ashamed of myself.

  1. I am not
  2. I do not
  3. I will not

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The only thing i half agree with @scrooger on is that it was a personal attack. Because it was personal, but it wasn’t an attack. Andit had to be personal as it was directed at one person. But I have no secret vendetta against Phil, nor did i mug him — he’s had days to figure this shit out. He appears to be a very dedicated father, he’s employed at a good job, and he has a wife and friends and all kinds of interesting projects going on if you’re into precious metals. So yes, I will admit to a few ad hominems, and really, i don’t even know if he has a sister... but i was pissed off ‘cause i feel like i’ve just been robbed! So i’m sorry if I was out of line.

I would urge you to read @scroogers attack on me, lol — he called me a bully! (Sniff...) — because he does make some relevant points regarding how many bots are run and owned. (It’s in a comment in the “Stax is Dead...”) post. But Stax truly was like no other. He’s probably a great guy, so it’s a shame he thinks so little of me, my photography and my potty mouth...

In fact, i know very little about the inner workings of things like upvote bots — i’m a fucking geezer for fuck’s sake! — but i do know a thing or two about a thing or two.

Please allow me to introduce Stax!!!

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“We, our, us, community, share, blah blah blah”

And then:

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You will notice above there is no clarification of who ultimately owns the bot, but those were exciting times, and no one was thinking about anything other than we had a vote bot that was our community bot and that it was an altruistic machine we were building, each with what we could offer, but for the benefit of all.

We were changing the fucking world!!!

And now where are we? Sabotaged by the very object of our trust and affection. It stinks. What stinks, in my opinion alone perhaps, is that given everything that has gone down, phelimint was unwilling to just either power it all up, or use any residual “estimated value” to buy more sp, or whatever. He has already stated that he never forsaw the account becoming so large so fast, and also that he’s not cashing out. But none of that hardly matters. What matters, is that phil has claimed ownership of the ultimate value of the account under misleading and fradulent behaviour.

You just can’t present an “our” and an “us” and a “we” to investors, and then call it a “mine” when it pays out. That is called fraud.

So one of two things must have happened.

  1. Phil always believed that it was ultimately his, and shrewdly left that one, particular spurious fact out of any and all correspondance, and thus actively deceived us.

Or,

Two, At some time since Stax was sparked up phelimint had a change of heart, embraced the dark side, and kept hush on his new personal allegiance.

Either way, there is absolutely nothing about honest community, nor mutually beneficial commerce going on in either scenario.

Let’s see that quote again shall we:

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I just don’t get it Phil. Why? You were already amply rewarded and celebrated as the Wizard of Stax, and you had (or maybe still do) a growing customer base for your silver business, and a bunch of fun-loving asskickers and silver stackers to hang with. And you fucking blew it.

Last night you were out at a pork raffle and borrowed someones sandwich to take a pic with and posted it appropriately not in #steemsilvergold

Maybe you should do more of that. Ugh...sigh...It now feels very unpleasant to me, downright corny even! But i am going to continue with the current task at hand because i said inwould —although damus-time does look appealing to me right now.

You’re not Welcome Phil. You ripped us off.

I, personally and genuinely, wish no ill will towards you, but your just not fucking welcome around #steemsilvergold anymore as far as we’re concerned.

Here’s the corny part. It’s a vote, so please have your say if you are a member of ssg, or, decide reticence is the best course of action and remain silent. Also, i am not trying to start a flag war or any other kind of hostility, i’m just acting in what myself and a few other above, and perhaps a few more below, believe is in the best interests of this Community

If ever it was yours Phil, then why were we paying you?

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That^ was largely in part because Ray sent 60 and i sent 100 sbd to upvote bots to ring in the new year with Stax in style — ya play the guitar on the MTV!

Now depending on the result of the vote below, of course no one can stop you from posting anywhere you like, but I would urge you to really think about what it means to belong within a group.

Please have your say below, or don’t, and if there are concerns over the payout for this post maybe someone can suggest something. But i will be crystal clear here, that that decision is mine to make alone. So vote or don’t vote accordingly.

With many regrets to all involved

@thedamus

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Well 1st let me start off with this, untill about 10 days ago or so, I always thought Phil was a stand up guy. We have talked off and on through our grow up process on steemit. A while back, just about 6 to 8 months ago we decided to create a #steemsilvergold voting bot. Now I have openly admitted that we as a group did not have the right type of discussions involving the account known as @silvergoldbotty. Phil VOLUNTEERED to take on this project. I will stress again volunteered. When we got the vote bot up and running, funding was hard to get, most everyone in steemsilvergold did not have a lot of liquid steem to help fund the new account. There was a handful of us that did some heavy funding to get this group project off and running. I myself have given more than I would ever be able to get back on a ROI. This was never an issue for me, untill I found out that @silvergoldbotty was owned by Phil. Now I have always tried to make up all of my life's wrong doings by giving back. I have done several fund raisers to promote this account and have given away countless pieces of silver out of my own stack. All the time most people where wondering why I was doing this. Well it was simple, I was under the impression that this was a community owned bot, here to help the community grow as a group not as a one individual. Now we fast forward to current time and everything is in a shamble. The group including myself had a chat with Phil, at this time he made it clear to the group that the account known as @silvergoldbotty was HIS!. Now a lot of people feel that this is a payment for his services, I say bullshit to this, Phil was receiving 2 100% up vote for his services. One to his account and one to the account that he has now made clear was his. Now let's just put this 100%upvote into a dollar amount. $32.00 I believe is the highest I have seen, I may be wrong by a few dollars either way. So let's just roll this number down just a little for easy math. So a vote would have been worth roughly $24.00 after curation. So 12sbd and what ever steem was valued at the time. Remember he was getting 2 votes a day. So 24sbd a day. Now for the for the greater part of 2 months SBD was valued at over $8.00 so that turns into $192.00 a day to run the bot, to me that's a good damn deal. That's over $1,300. A week to run an account. Come on this was your payment, wasn't it enough. Did you have to go and be greedy and take the account as well. WTF Phil, you where just going to take everyone's 100% upvote and run. You had a chance to make this right. We gave you an opportunity to rectify this situation and after talking to yuo personally last night your decision stayed the same. I can no longer support you or any of your accounts. No the group did come to me and wanted to have you removed, I informed them that this would have to be a group vote and could not be made by one individual. But you know what Phil, I think you know what needs to happen, I don't even think a vote is necessary. Bank robbers don't keep robbing the same bank , they move on to the next one. So before I cast my vote I want to hear from you. I want to know how bad you want to be a part of this group and exactly what it means to you. You don't have to respond here, as I don't think you would anyways, but you are more the welcome to reach out to me in discord.

Thats longer than most of posts, lol

Well said Ray, I will add his removal from the group into tonight membership post.
Fool us once....and all that.

Ray you're a stand up guy. Pit and you are the reason I came here to give this a try and of course my Mafia bros. Everything I seen from you and SSG was about the community. I agree with some here that many are being too nice about it. Knowing what you and @thedamus put into it you have every right to be furious. I got love from you and damus when I started and not so much from others. I stand by you 100%

I am so proud to be a #steemsilvergold community member. I don’t think anybody can be successful on this platform without good support around you and a true community bot to help grow it into something that everybody wants to be a part of. Honestly,loyalty,friendship,and hard work are what I’m about. @raybrockman and @thedamas are two guys I will go to war with and stand by their side to fight. We need to get back to people actually caring about their fellow man as well as them selfs. Thank you for gentlemen for lighting the torches. Now let me grab my pitchfork and join the group! 👍🏼🍺🥓

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Here is your olive branch. Is it too late? PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE have another think.

what do you mean by saying have another think? should he pretend to be stupid, shouldn't he use his mind and common sense?! @raybrockman's position and that of some others like @thedamus is absolutely understandable. and yet there's still an offer!

Not Ray... Phil!! Im not a nasty person and I've made my position clear on what he's done. He's been playing us all for fools. I really do just try and see the good in people. I spoke to Phil regularly and we got on great(well I think we did) , which is why it hurts even more that he's done this. Although I will never forget what's happened I'm still hoping one day I can forgive.

then forgive my misunderstanding, @welshstacker.
it was caused by your response to Ray. so we're good.

Don't worry about it. When writing things down there is always a chance it could be miss interpreted. As was exactly proven by Stax. 😉

you are a giver.. and no offense when people ask for donations for FREE upvoting service when you upvote it's kinda scammy. I knew this 3 months ago. I enjoy the tag #steemsilvergold as a community, but something was off about STAX.. I am part of make-a-whale and the model is perfect. Upvote daily, and you get an upvote daily.. and it cycles to each member to vote 100%. It's not perfect but it feels like I get something back. Perhaps make-a-whale will eventually take off and run, I know that I benefitted by feeding it. It is a working model, so it might work for years.

You are not welcome around here anymore phelimint.

Stop being a drama Queen @thedamus, just let it go and get on with minding your own business. Everything is A O K.

I don't think everything is "A OK" but we need to move on

Believe me! This was my second choice!!!

Bah! Man I didn't want to get involved in this but I think it's gone a bit far. I was like the first dude to openly critize Stax in our chat, early on it was apparent most ppl were worried mostly about Stax and not stacking. Ppl were crying about missed votes and all sorts of shit, I also remember u telling ppl to chill and stop bothering Pheli. I was critical of the mandatory 100% and Stax posting low quality posts everyday and trending and shit way before all this ownership confusion. That being said I never thought anyone else owned the bot account except Pheli. The wording "us" and "we" I assumed just meant it was for the SSG stackers benefit but not that we all owned a piece of it. After listening to all this and hoping it would blow over I see it's taking awhile here. Pheli isn't a con artist, I think all this could have been handled better and he himself may have made mistakes but we're all human. This turned into a cluster fuck and all these posts are doing is more damage to the group imo, we're all coming off as big arseholes. Am I happy with Stax and all that's transpired?.. no.. but I'm not trying to damage anyone's credibility or telling ppl they need to leave the group. I think all parties involved are at fault for not clarifying all the terms starting out but like I said I never questioned who owned the account, sometimes I'd be in awe at how quick and big the girl got and had ppl from outside the stacking community wanting in. This is tough because I care for and respect everyone involved here and I bet most of u know that, but I can't sit here and witness anymore of these attacks on @phelimint. Dudes a good bloke but he fucked up a bit and I bet he feels like shit over it, this is all new to us with these communities, bots and all this crypto shit. We're all not innocent here either, we're motivated by that cheddar and that sucks, it is what it is though. I appreciate your opinions bud, for standing up for the group and airing out your concerns. I know u feel misled and hurt about how this started out and snowballed to this but i think ppls expectations and perceptions were askewed along the way. I think Stax should be taken off our SSG Discord but if ppl want to keep using her that's their perogative. It's a bot, same as all the other bots to me and always has been. I delegated 500 sp to it so maybe I'm less invested than many of the more vocal opponents who assumed it was all of ours in some manner and had nps about it aslong as the $ it made was reinvested to help out everyone that was supporting it.. and upvoting it's posts 100% every dam day. I'm @goldenarms and my advice to everyone is get over it #shutupandstack

Thank you for your opinion GA — i do wish i could share it.

Well I still got love for you bud 👬

We stack bars. Fuck all that other shit!

i understand you. but i wouldn't want to exclude Phil. i dissociate myself that STAX belongs to him and i'm very disappointed. for me this means that i'm no longer involved in building up his private bot. i no longer vote STAX and don't delegate steempower anymore. that's it.


so neither he nor you should leave the community. and how to deal with STAX, everyone has to decide for himself. STAX is not the community. #steemsilvergold is. greetings

Thank you pawos.

Disappointed is how I feel too.

I have to think.... I just read it all..... Even all the comments..... This has not been a good week or so for any of us... 😥

I appreciate your imput.

@thedamus I have to stand with you on this. I've thought about it. And what it came down to was this. You and Ray have always supported the community as well as me personally. I just checked since Dec 22 I upvoted him 142 time. He hit me with a massive 6 votes.... He was on my auto voter because we had agreed to give him extra votes as a thank you for stax... I mean I know I'm no goldenarms or thedamus when it comes to writting about metal, but 6 votes in three months.....

To update turns out you are my number one supporter! So thank you a ton brother! at this moment we have each upvoted each other 144 times in the last 3 months. Funny coincidence 😁☠️

Thanks for info shippie! I too feel bad about the whole thing, and i too have noticed the infrequency of support from some members... but whatevs man. People will go and do their thing and we can choose how we wish to respond. I am happy to hear i’m your no. #1 fan though!!!
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I'm sat in the snow stealing WiFi from the launderette and my finger is freezing to the screen so ima come back later on when I've had a think about this, I've missed some of this so need to catch up before I have a say :-)

Holy shit bro, there are so many comments on this post. After reading most of them, i have forgotten who wrote the post, lol.

Great work man, it looks like you came to the party with a full clip and just emptied that shit, Boom, boom, boom.

Thx UK, i was trying to be as calm and judicious as possible though.

i can see the restraint, haha

I really like Phil. I am still totally blown away with his decision. I can not align myself with someone that has been so devious and manipulative. I'm sorry if that sounds harsh, but that's how it appears to me.

He may have thought he was always open but to have this many people think otherwise just shows, he clearly wasn't. It's not just 1 or even 2 people he's fooled, it's the majority of ssg.

Thank you welshie.

I have to go back when this whole steemsilvergold started with just a few of us.
I saw a tag and an introduction to join a group of people who have the same interest, Silver and Gold and talk about steem.
Share thoughts about it, pics of recent finds, also thought it to be a great idea when I saw some people doing contest and give always of silver.
The idea was to get a group of people to post pictures or tags of interest, one in which we could upvote each other and grow.
But this bot came out, people were becoming their own group within a group, and those who did not or could not contribute sbd could join in on the bot.
Sure people would see someone post a pick of a silver bar they bought, or in my case I posted a few that I was able to buy but, I didn’t receive hardly any Upvotes so I gave up.
I still enjoy the community and upvote those who actually post silver or gold content.
I admit I have been absent for a bit due to work and other responsibilities that limit my time.
I don’t know what all went down, just heard about this whole thing and the bot is done.
I’m not looking for blaming anyone, I believe a lot of people were chased off steemsilvergold due to the pay to play style community it turned into.
How about we just do what it was originally intended for.
Post article about Silver or Gold pics of a great find or just a new one, and everyone part of the community can up vote what they like.
I have to get to work.... running late trying to type this up, just felt I had to respond because things really did get out of hand and the original idea of a group with similar interest posting content turned into, as I saw it, pay to play.

Well said. Fuck the drama, post about metals, stack and let's all actively do more to help eachother out.. so we don't need to rely on a bot vote to get our posts over $2 dollars

I'm following you now ;-)

Thankbyou Buster.

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