Tone Vays Debates Ned Scott And Dan Larimer About Steemit
Tone Vays Debates Ned Scott And Dan Larimer About Steemit
@ned & @dantheman debated Tone Vays about Steemit
Here is the other part published earlier by Whalepool on their YouTube channel:
@ned & @dantheman debated Tone Vays about Steemit
Here is the other part published earlier by Whalepool on their YouTube channel:
I stopped listening at
"If you haven't done that re-search, that explains a lot."
After talking about content being on the blockchain.
Shows again, like last time Tone Vays has no idea what he is talking about.
Funny he forgot to mention how he stopped working for NewBraveCoin.
Still listening. This is a debate I was waiting a long time to hear. :)
I'll have to give it a 2nd try tomorrow, too late now for my time-zone and Tone
Tone Vays thinks Steem isn't powered by a blockchain according to his definition?
Oh, I think I get it. For Tone, "blockchain" isn't simply a compound word meaning a cryptographically-secured chain of blocks of data; it is actually an acronym:
Bitcoin Ledger, Other Coins Keep Calling Histories Alternative Incommensurable Names
See with that definition, he can argue any coin that isn't bitcoin technically isn't using a "BLOCKCHAIN" but is instead just using something like an Excel spreadsheet. 😉
I like his pinned tweet, Steem was not the only scam in town, Zcash topped Steem.
Notice how he tags Chris from Bitcoin Uncensored. The guy takes time to draw.
lol did you come up with that when writing the reply? :P
This is all rather ironic, and here is why:
On the 10th of November, Tony was in Moscow, on the bitcoin & blockchain conference (to straighten things out - Tony speaks Russian rather well). On that conference we presented Golos on 3 occasions and hence touched the subject of Steem and Bitshares. Moreover, after the conference, there was an afterparty (organised by myself), at which he was present. The afterparty was all about Golos. Tony sat right next table to the stage, when i was taking questions from the audience.
Strange, but he didnt ask even 1 single question...
Which drives me to think, that, it all sounds like a bunch of fud. Sorry Tony, but it just does...
Tone speaks Russian rather well because he was born in Russia. Not a secret, he's the one who told me. :-)
I wasnt aware of that )
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I was absolutely flabbergasted at how that conversation went. I didn't listen to the post, but if it included the entire conversation then it probably captured the following:
All of that was before even beginning to debate the definition of blockchain. Apparently we cannot even compare bitcoin's early days to Steem's early days. New, experimental, systems are supposed to just pop up and start their life fully decentralized rather than grow into it.
There are legitimate arguments you can make against Steem and then there are illegitimate ones. He wasn't actually able to get to a single legitimate argument because he was so blinded by ideology.
What is worse, he is unable to accept or discuss any legitimate criticism of Bitcoin. The only way we will ever grow is if we can acknowledge our faults and ruthlessly seek to improve upon them.
I'm agree, you eated him because he didn't know what was talking about -even many of us don't know-. It was a great interview for you because some points of your vision were clarified but there were a few valid question, example, about the storage. What will happen with the steemit.com domain name in the future (https://steemit.com dont belong to the blockchain). Why is pegged to USD -the SBD- and what is going to happen when it collapse. How you are going to decentralize all your stake. How many witness are needed to be a healthy ecosystem. Also the Tone's question about the SEC (or FBI or any goverment institution) is important, places like megaupload were closed easily. But the main question for me -as I'm writer and have my essays here is what is going to happen if like, hotmail, you decide to shut down the blog system because is expensive to maintain. I'm not cryptotrader, not developer, just a mortal looking for profits and freedom.
I'm a member and mod from Whalepool, and I can be heard on that audio a few times. I think you guys did great. We especially like Nate.
Hope to see you guys again.
Your side of the debate was eloquent, this response is eloquent, I can't be eloquent-the guy is a total ass. I'm trying to picture what he was doing while the rest of you were speaking and the image I have is of him examining his manicured nails while half listening just to seize the moment he could jump in and spout pseudo-intellectual bullshit. But I think overall this helps you far more than it hurts, any listener with half a brain won't get trapped in the box he's made for himself. And likely will only listen to him again if the guests are someone they're interested in...unless of course they enjoy being supremely irritated.
Finally listened to it this afternoon and was really impressed with Dan and Ned.
Tone just comes across as a complete moron in my opinion:
"I said I was going to prove everything in the whitepaper wrong but when I read it I realised it was not that easy." - Err how does that prove a scam - sounds like the reverse to me.
"You can't compare anything else to Bitcoin."
Why the F*** not - perhaps because it is your God and doing so is blasphemy?
"Dan and Ned should have made sure that Steem was worthless and not on any exchanges for 18 months."
I could list so much more idiocy from the Bitcoin worshippers on that show but life is too short for me to waste on people who are too stupid to understand the hypocrisy of being pro Bitcoin and simultaneously using the very same arguments that were used against BTC against Steem now.
I think the only thing that has been proven is that Tone isn't as clever as he wants people to believe. The guy can't put together a single rational or reasoned argument.
He just seems to be acting based on "faith".
😂
Thank you, exactly.
Its people like him I have to thank that I didn't purchase eth during the crowdsale.
Yes a lot of people made a lot from altcoins including ether. Bitcoin is a religion to them - there is no logic or rationality behind it. These kind of people are bad for the whole of cryptocurrency including Bitcoin.
Unfortunately Tone is fool without the grace and courage to admit he simply isn't smart enough to understand Steem. It's a waste of Dan and Ned's time trying to help him understand, though it's very good of them to try. Steem fits every reasonable definition of a blockchain and has technically left Bitcoin for dust. I feel sorry for anyone who would believe Tone's baseless, intellectually shallow and petulant accusations....'I will be right' he says. Tone was wrong about Steem yesterday, he's wrong today and sadly, it seems like he'll be wrong tomorrow if he can't find some humility.
I got distracted a few times and had to go back and listen a few times, but @ned and @dantheman were informative and forthcoming with good explanations. Every time I hear them talking or read their articles, I'm impressed by their dedication to the platform.
Ok guys fixed had to do 7 rounds of shrinking and removing image files.
Enjoy
Embarassing!... for Tone :-)