You are viewing a single comment's thread from:

RE: STEEM Is Going To Change The World BUT Are Steemians Ready????

in #steem6 years ago

You think alot like I think, but where you go wrong is the anarchy. I see that future world will be world where ideology is made from facts, not other way around. World where we are truly part of greater perspective. World from where individualism is abolished from way of society. World where dead rise from their graves to serve the society. All false values, not just economical but also political, philosophical, etc. are abolished.

Sort:  

All false values, not just economical but also political, philosophical, etc. are abolished.

What does this mean? And how would that ever be accomplished? Who and how do we decide what values are "false"?

World where dead rise from their graves to serve the society.

I understand this is meant poetically but what dead ideas do you think should be brought back?

Im also not sure if you really meant to say that ideology should be made from facts not the other way around, but then say individualism should be abolished from society... because trying to abolish the individual has been at the heart of the ideologies which led to the most significant horrific and darkest times for humanity. Nazism and Communism are typically thought to be on opposite sides but what they have in common is collectivism.

  1. That means all those solidarity nonsenses and such. Cold fact is that there is no value that does not "show" it self. For example solidarity has never brought anything good. Simply I mean things that are "beliefs" rather than something with "true value". With economical I mean all this "money must be earned" bs and so on.

  2. I don't mean some past ideology or ideas. I mean people who are outcasts of this current system, like unemployed, crypto-enthuastists and people who don't labor much. Simply people who do not "exist" in this current economical understanding.
    I said "individualism" not "individual". Individualism as philosophy must be abolished simply because it looks only at individual, and takes everything outside of it as granted, like society for example. Individualism needs to be abolished because it ignores anything greater than our own perspective.

  1. That means all those solidarity nonsenses and such. Cold fact is that there is no value that does not "show" it self. For example solidarity has never brought anything good. Simply I mean things that are "beliefs" rather than something with "true value". With economical I mean all this "money must be earned" bs and so on.

I had to restart reading this a few times until i realised you meant individuality but were saying solidarity. I don't know if English is your first language but solidarity doesn't have exactly the same meaning. To be honest I'm having a hard time understanding what you mean. It makes it difficult to know exactly how much and how we disagree agree, or alternatively if we DO agree but you're just using different word. ^_^. So do correct me if I misunderstand you.

I assume you're replying to my first question in my last rely. You didn't really answer my question.... I asked how would so-called "false values" be abolished and I asked who would decide. What you said could imply something quite authoritarian so just trying to figure out if it's that or not.

You gave an example of one of these false values, individualism. *"That means all those solidarity nonsenses and such"... but you're going to need to be a bit more specific. I'm still not sure what you think you mean by individualism

"With economical I mean all this "money must be earned" bs and so on."

Are you saying that crypto is showing us a totally different way of seeing money and how we define value and what that means? If so, I agree! If instead this is more of a anti-capitalist thing then I don't, because it involves a great lack of understanding for what money is and represents.

I don't mean some past ideology or ideas. I mean people who are outcasts of this current system, like unemployed, crypto-enthuastists and people who don't labor much. Simply people who do not "exist" in this current economical understanding.
I said "individualism" not "individual". Individualism as philosophy must be abolished simply because it looks only at individual, and takes everything outside of it as granted, like society for example. Individualism needs to be abolished because it ignores anything greater than our own perspective.

hmm...I'm really struggling to connect the first part of this paragraph to the second part.

You called them dead but why did you use that word? I'm wondering if it's important or if it's just confusing me.

If you mean that that the transfer of wealth, from the old money with a long lineage in things like oil and banking to the technology entrepreneurs , will mean the most powerful economic people in the world will now have a drastically different perspective and so effect on the world going forward. If so I really agree! It's very exciting. In old money the passion that created the money is too distant and too divorced from their current wealth to be meaningful anymore, now they stagnate in the system. All companies end up like this the larger they get. The more it expands the more corrupt it gets and the more it edges toward it;s own collapse.

So what we're seeing with cypto is that people who are full of passion to change things with technology and find new solutions to problems with different ways of looking at things, they're gaining vast amounts of economic power that would normally take a long time and a lot of conflicts of interest corrupting the purity of it all.

As far as individual vs individualism, can you give some more examples Im not getting it,.

.

"I had to restart reading this a few times until i realised you meant individuality but were saying solidarity." No I meant solidarity, but it was propably bit dump as you likely don't live where I live, and it is perhaps not so highly pushed were you are.

"I asked how would so-called "false values" be abolished and I asked who would decide." Theses "false values" get simply abolished because they have no connection to real life! I am talking about things that are a bubble! For example current socialism in welfare-state, where it doesn't do anything good but instead just causes problems.

"Are you saying that crypto is showing us a totally different way of seeing money and how we define value and what that means?" Yes! And I am not anti-capitalist. What is going to be revealed finally that value is infinite, things can always be better.

"You called them dead but why did you use that word?" Take retired for example. They are like some waste in this system. They are useless, expired nuisance. They are called "waste of capitalism" by some philosophists and so on. True problem however is not capitalism, but the monetary-system.

"As far as individual vs individualism, can you give some more examples Im not getting it,."
From wikipedia "Individualism is the moral stance, political philosophy, ideology, or social outlook that emphasizes the moral worth of the individual.[1][2] Individualists promote the exercise of one's goals and desires and so value independence and self-reliance[3] and advocate that interests of the individual should achieve precedence over the state or a social group,[3] while opposing external interference upon one's own interests by society or institutions such as the government.[3] Individualism is often defined in contrast to totalitarianism, collectivism, authoritarianism, communitarianism, statism, cosmopolitanism, tribalism, altruism, and more corporate social forms."

"Individualism makes the individual its focus[1] and so starts "with the fundamental premise that the human individual is of primary importance in the struggle for liberation."[6] Classical liberalism, existentialism, and anarchism are examples of movements that take the human individual as a central unit of analysis.[6] Individualism thus involves "the right of the individual to freedom and self-realization"."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individualism

Basic problem of individualism is that in it, if the whole world would be about to be destroyed, and one person could stop it but doesn't want to, whole world should let be destroyed because that one person didn't want to stop it. There simply are grater things than one individual person and sometimes individuals need to do something they don't want to.

Coin Marketplace

STEEM 0.30
TRX 0.11
JST 0.033
BTC 64223.84
ETH 3158.34
USDT 1.00
SBD 4.29