Will you change your voting habits after HF21?
With the changes coming (yes this is yet another post that relates to HF21) I am interested in finding out how many of you will change your voting behavior after HF21 comes into play.
Curation rewards are set to increase, from 25% to 50%. We already see this on Palnet, and it's to my understanding Dtube are doing 100% curation. So how will this affect how you or I vote?
Current Voting habits
What way do you vote now?
At the moment, I have a mixture of auto voting and manual curation. Any trails I currently follow are on a very low voting weight. I have liked to support trails because it often aids the manual curation of others, such as the Helpie community.
I also support some ‘people’ on auto vote. As these people get regular support most often these votes are <50%
I like to vote on comments, most often when people engage back with me on my posts.
I vote for activity on my brand as it is a crucial part of encouraging learners to engage with the posts and to practice what they learned. Now there is not much activity, but I give 100% votes. Again, this is on comments.
I don’t currently use all of my SP effectively and I earn very little in curation rewards. After the above, I vote for what I like when I have the time for curation. The size of the votes can vary, but I never consider how much in curation I earn.
Post HF21 Voting
What way will you vote after HF21?
With the opportunity to earn greater curation rewards, I have thought to myself that maybe I should consider how who and what I am voting for.
At the end of the day, my priority will be voting on comments on my brand and rewarding those that take part in the learn and earn activities. However, that’s still slow and won't use up my VP. That is of course if my vote is worth enough after the HF to vote on comments!!!!!!!!!! If it is not, then my whole business with steem is at a dead end.
With the changes in the reward curve as well as the downvotes, I am undecided on how I will vote. Or how and if I will flag. I’m not sure if my trials will add any value and might be just a waste of VP.
My auto votes for people, well that’s in need of review anyway. There are plenty on the list that is not even active on steem anymore. I still want to support people but again I’m not so sure after HF21 how much value my vote will have an I think I will wait and see what the best way is to do this.
I guess I really need to see the impact of HF21 before I can really make up my mind. The first few weeks after won’t be a good indicator either. We will really need to see things settle down, see how bid bots adjust their model and see what SP remains activate and in what way. But I will be keeping a close eye after the rollout to see the impact this all has on my vote
None of this really considers the new flags we will have. I haven’t really been a big flagger, but I have when I strongly disagree with how the regards pool is being used, engaged in a bit of reward pool redistribution.
How will you use your new flags?
I look forward to reading your comments.
I resteemed this because so far this and your post related to it (8 days ago ) explained hf21 in a way even no tech savy like I am could understand.
Even the comment thread on both posts helped understand what's to come.
We'll see ... I actually liked it before the changes came when they forked the system where in they had to drain the pool reward - back then, minnows have more chance of growing and we used to vote what we really like. Which fork was it that drained the reward pool again? That kind'a created a "pyramiding" effect imho. edit : I do hope hf21 isn't worse than that. Can't they just test it for a month and if it actually worsen's the situation, get back to how it was before or does the fork have some kind of a "point of no return/ it can't be undone" effect? - am not a witness so I don't know how the forking works really, forgive me if that last question actually sounds idiotic.
They won't do that. As far as I understand it it is about the rich getting richer and the writers/authors getting less (and the most active one's do not exactly belong to the top). They already decided to do this long before the so called test and agreement of the witnesses.
I am not understanding one word about it, still not the benefit of HF20. Social media that makes it impossible to socialize?
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hmmm then, I shall miss the great old days - back when many people write something we could really pick up value from and our votes weren't corrupted yet. Good old days ...
I am in a wait and see mindset as well.
I currently ...
Depending on how things settle, I may need to vote higher on fewer people so that my votes are more impactful. I will let the dust settle and then re-evaluate.
Well we have a few week before the hf and a few weeks to settle so let's see how things look then 😁
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10 days you have
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I don't plan to change anything. I only upvote manually what I like. The trail my main account is following is led by an own alt account which also only upvotes manually.
I never optimized my curation reward (and don't plan to do it in future), for example most of the time my votes come in very late.
But just lets see what finally happens (for example concerning upvoting of comments ...).
not sure that I'll be changing much after HF21. I wont be doing any more downvoting than i do now which is pretty rare.
I'll likely be using the tipping tokens more on comments... will have to see how badly the new curve impacts VP
Did I see that correctly.. DTube is 100% curation? that would be zero for content creators?
I could be wrong but I heard 100% curation but creators automatically self vote at 100%
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Self voting is the answer?
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My read of @heimindanger's posts do agree with that. There are no author rewards in DTC, and all rewards are curation rewards.
I do not chase tokens, and am unconcerned with financial rewards. HF21 will not change this behaviour. I post what I believe, and upvote folks that seem to me to have support coming, for various reasons. I came here to participate on a social media platform that
iswas (see @fulltimegeek) remarkably resistant to censorship, and potentiates completely voluntary government to be effected. Steem has incredible potential to change the corrupt government and financial institutions we have inherited, so that we can leave just government and financial institutions to our posterity. I wish it was living up to that potential.It's not, and HF21 is going to make that worse. I'll leave when it's time to turn off the lights, but I'll miss the honesty and integrity of folks I've interacted with here, including you. I do wish I was wrong about HF21, but I don't think I am. @steemit is powering down millions of Steem. I reckon they don't think I'm wrong either.
Seems to me @fiveart has it right.
Thanks!
Can you please explain to me how steemit can be a social media platform if people are limited to engage to others by their SP or whatever they call it? After HF20 I could only post once every 20 hours or leave 3 comments.
That is not what I call socializing. It took me weeks to find out how come and it is not something I can explain to people.
It does not make Steemit attractive.
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IRL we are limited by our financial position, and this does regulate our ability to interact in society, so IMHO that's not the actual source of the problem. Steem magnifies this limitation insuperably, as IRL we are far less limited by our financial circumstances than we are on Steem. Sometimes quantitative changes create qualitative changes, and this is exemplified presently by RCs on Steem.
I do not know what IRL and IMHO stand for/mean.
To be honest I can not say that happened but might be I have an other picture in mind of what "quality" is.
Thank you for taking the time to explain this.
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IRL - In Real Life, and IMHO - In My Humble (or Honest) Opinion.
Thank you for teaching me something 😀💕
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"but I'll miss the honesty and integrity of folks I've interacted with here, including you"
aweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee getting soft in these dark hours
but on a serious note, I hear ya and I wish I was wrong too, it's really not looking good. it be nice to imagine the witnesses rejecting it.
IIRC @liberosist has stated he will. He's unfortunately not 17 consensus witnesses. I've done all I can to dissuade EIP, but I'm not 17 consensus witnesses either.
I think people will just undelegate from bidbots and start selling their votes instead.
People are two things - greedy and lazy - and an increase in curation rewards meaning delegating isn't the profitable way, being really the optimized way to earn selling their votes, so they earn the vote selling fee plus the added curation,
Ah man the vote selling could get crazy
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Bidbots can just increase the returns from delegations to compensate for the curation rewards increase. I expect bots to be more profitable than ever as a result of HF21. No rational user will flag them either, since both the semi-exponential rewards curve will apply to flags, and the increase in 25% of the VP for flagging will dramatically increase the harm retaliation threatens from such hugely staked accounts.
That will be an issue after HF21, because most comments won't receive additional upvotes, so the payout for them will be impacted hard by the reward curve, on its initial path, before converging to linear.
...and I'm in the same situation too, liking to reply and upvote genuine comments to my blog.
I hadn't thought of that, but if you're correct, engagement will collapse. The more I give it thought, the more HF21 seems designed to destroy the social aspect of Steem. I am liking it less and less going forward. Sadly, I'm probably underestimating how bad it's going to be. I'm kind of an optimist.
Yeah, I haven't thought of it, really. I read it somewhere in a source I trust (don't remember where though), then I thought of it by myself and it seems the most likely way things are going to be afterwards.
With the low price of STEEM, thus a significant dust vote threshold, and the reward curve in HF21, the cumulative effects will be a hard blow to engagement on blog posts, unless performed purely for altruistic reasons and for the sake of engagement.
Frankly, I am uninterested in interaction otherwise motivated. Why would I care about content that is only posted to earn money? Am I a cow producing that sweet, sweet milk?
No, I am not.
Well, this is how Steem / SCOT work. Based on a reward pool that is distributed, among others, to those who are upvoted for their engagement. So in a way the intent of the engagement is a little blurry, except in obvious cases. Even some good engagement may drop, if there is no reward involved.
On Steem, maybe this is not wanted anymore, going forward. Possibly the STEEM / SP rewards will be replaced in time by SMT rewards, so maybe HF21 is only the beginning that prepares the terrain for what's next.
I will be pissed off if voting in comments dies
I am not going to change a thing. I already manually vote for posts I like. I have a hand full of people I auto vote because we are tight and I will always support them and they have never posted something that I find morally objectionable.
As for downvotes. How I use those also won’t change. Outside of stealing someone else’s work, poor quality is in the eyes of the beholder. A lot of stuff people call quality, I call boring. Things others might find to be junk I think are funny. So my downvotes will be reserved for spammer comments and such like they are now. Plus my vote value is so low my upvote and downvote don’t do much anyway.
it's good to see that you are happy with your voting and u wont let hf21 put you off track.
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Personally, I won't change a thing: I will vote for the list of authors I usually support, all steemstem-supported posts (that I usually read) and all French posts voted by the 5-6 French communities.
I am however sad for the comments: I usually vote the comments to my posts, but I won't be big enough in terms of HF21 standards.
I'll keep doing what I'm currently doing. I vote manual because I'm a small account. I also am not stressing behind the upcoming HF21.. My hubby @wdougwatson reminds me all the time. Steem is an investment. So therefore I'm gonna ride it out and see where we go😍
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Not stressing is the way to go 🤗😁
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