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RE: Communities Are The Only Thing Capable Of Curbing Abuse On Steem

in #steem7 years ago (edited)
What im saying is i dont see 'communities' solving the issues steem presents. In fact, from early on when i got here to the steemverse those that wanted to print roi with their stake, ie counterfeit, have tried to hide that abuse.

You can't counterfeit STEEM. The STEEM, SBD and Vest inflation happens at the consensus layer. But I'm assuming you're talking about abuse in general.

One way to do that is to get us looking at birdies. If folks don't want their stake diluted by low effort returns they won't get that by putting all their attention to their niche and ignoring abuse of steem.

Most people already ignore abuse. That's because it would be completely futile for the vast majority of Steemians to spend their time scouring the entire chain from a selfish personal point of view. And that's what people do when no one is watching: look out for number one first and foremost. In my vision, there would be more people punishing abusers because they would be rewarded by a community looking up to them for their efforts for the common good.

For instance, @steemflagrewards fights art plagiarism. I dont care about art plagiarism, i like earthships and alternative fuels. But, because i don't limit myself to any one community, i am aware of the amount of no effort farming accounts in art plagiarism tags.

Well that's great. How much of your voting power do you spend downvoting them? Punishing wrongdoers is costly. Almost no one does it without gaining something in return. One such gain could be elevated social standing among one's peers. That's what I was going for with the community idea.

If your goal is to dedicate your time to your niche, while not downvoting spam posted on steem, you pay the dilution tax willingly.

If you spend your time and voting power on looking for spammers and other abusers and downvoting them on the whole platform, you are engaging in what is called altruistic punishment. The more time and voting power you use on doing so, the heavier a price you pay for your efforts in the form of using up your voting power (and time) instead of making gains from it while the benefits of your efforts are spread out among all Steemians. Your share of the benefits of your efforts is very small relative to the opportunity cost of your efforts to yourself.

I also oppose distracting users with cute birdies.

You completely misunderstand or misrepresent what my proposal was about.

If you mean that communities will make it easier for abusers and reward pool rapists to hide their actions, then what communities can do about that is encourage to and reward users for delegating SP to services that hunt for and fight such abuse.

You gotta do what you do.

A small minority of people anywhere are idealists like that. This is why banking on people acting according to idealism is building on quicksand. Almost no one is an idealist - or an ant. We are social animals who build communities and for whom social status in our communities is vital. Steem as a whole is not a community. Each of us only knows a small subset of all Steemians. In the future, if this platform is to become successful at all, our Steem experience will be further fragmented into smaller niches.

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@steemflagrewards currently offers about 15% ROI per flag. That comes with the risk of retaliation.

The group is moving away from a comment system to a more tokenised approach via Steem Engine. The idea is that we would reward downvoters’ content instead of their declaration of downvotes.

Of course, with subsidised flags being a thing, the ROI will be reduced as well to take the free downvotes into account.

Interesting. The risk of retaliation is non-existent for users who do not publish any content. There are many accounts on Steem user purely for voting. Those accounts are perfectly safe from retaliation.

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