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RE: In defense of finding value on Steem

in #steem6 years ago

A few weeks ago I did an audit of Steemit to set to rest the discrepancies I saw relating to the "community's" desire to promote "high quality content", while simultaneously disincentivizing "poor quality content" with down-voting bots. The first thing I noticed was that "community" was not actually representative of the millions of Steemit account holders. It isn't really even representative of the "stakeholder community" with vast STEEM power to dictate their preferences and wield their power over the masses.

If it is, then the stakeholders need to decide if they value their dictatorial powers more than the retention of new Steemians, be they good or bad bloggers. Rather, the content quality police force is represented by delegates. One, or a small group of people wield the STEEM power of the wealthy. To that point, I pose the following question:

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? (Who guards the guards themselves?)

I'm going to leave that quote outside of quote formatting. I'm hoping the CHEATER (Cheetah) bot will catch it, provide another source, (or perhaps the same source, or even a URL featuring a copy/paste of the original source I cited), and put my name on a cheater watch list, again. Notice the attribution? Cheetah wont.

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I don't know about you, but when I land on the cheater report with my name in the list - https://steemit.com/cheetah/@cheetah/2018-08-25 - I had to move fast to grab that screenshot before all lines greater than row 250 are hidden. There's a note below that, which states "Log continued in comment below", but it's not visible to me. How about you? Am I paranoid, or am I finding selective programming on what is supposed to be a completely transparent blockchain for all?

Under the Fair Use doctrine of US copyright law, I am not necessarily obligated to obtain permission to cite sources or attribute copyright ownership, if my FAIR USE is of factual material, or for the purpose of teaching, etcetera.

I'll plug my post from this morning, unapologetically here, because, although most of the content is not original and none of it is "quality creative writing", it is factual and should be understood by all who contemplate using the down-vote to flag 'abuses', like copy/paste and plagiarism.

Fair Use Rules & Copyright Law in the US Coming Under Attack from Europe in 2019
https://steempeak.com/@justmeagain/fair-use-rules-and-copyright-law-in-the-us-coming-under-attack-from-europe-in-2019

I'll also draw attention to the Steemit Terms of Service mechanism for filing legitimate plagiarism complaints.

-15. Copyright Complaints, the DMCA, and Takedowns
-15.1 We will respond to legitimate requests under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act ("DMCA"), and we retain the right to remove access to user content provided via the Service that we deem to be infringing the copyright of others. If you become aware of user content on the Service that infringes your copyright rights, you may submit a properly formatted DMCA request (see 17 U.S.C. § 512) to Steemit, Inc.

Misrepresentations of infringement can result in liability for monetary damages. You may want to consult an attorney before taking any action pursuant to the DMCA.

A DMCA request can be sent to us via the contact information below:
Copyright Agent
Steemit, Inc.
251 LITTLE FALLS DRIVE
WILMINGTON, DE 19808
[email protected]
https://steemit.com/tos.html

The right and responsibility for filing copyright infringement claims belong to the copyright owner and the DMCA is the legitimate mechanism for making such claims.

The Steemit flag options pop-up, which apparently has been changed since 09/02/2018, ahead of Hardfork 20 due out 09/25/2018, used to list plagiarism specifically as a 'Behavior Necessitating Down-Vote'. Who dedided to put all the 'content quality' (i.e. plagiarism, spam, intentional miscatagorization of content) options on the flag menu and who decided to replace them all with the undefined flag notice recently? Was this the COMMUNITY or a down-vote bot operator or an unnamed dev?

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When I conducted my audit, at or about the same time the flag pop-up was still a select-all option menu, I was finding breaches of the Steemit Terms of Service, including "misrepresentations of infringement" of plagiarism and I expressed my views to the bot operator that his behavior was in breach of article 14.1.1. User Conduct, which states, "you agree that you will not use of[sic] our Services in any manner that could interfere with, disrupt, negatively affect, or inhibit other users from fully enjoying our Services". This is significant, because the bot wipes out vote rewards on posts that it often erroneously labels as plagiarism and there's no getting back the SP of voters, nor the reputation score of the author, once the bot, with massive delegated voting power obliterates them.

How often is the down-vote bot - Cheetah/Steemcleaners WRONGLY accusing bloggers of plagiarism? See for your self from the number and nature of comments left on steemcleaners' posts.
https://steemit.com/@steemcleaners/recent-replies

I have seen a Christian group, that gathers to discuss the idiology and teach/study, shut down by the copy/paste plagiarism bot. Obviously, the bot operator has no idea that Christians generally 'give all glory to God', thus giving or receiving attributions to religious material may not be significant, as the original author hasn't written a work for commercial value. In this situation, 17 voting Steemians had their votes overruled by one down-voting bot. Show me how this was a 'community' decision and not the unilateral choice of one member. This user's account was blacklisted and cannot be seen anymore, unless you are purposely hunting for it.
https://steemit.com/steemchurch/@ladywayne1/7takmk-giving#@steemcleaners/re-ladywayne1-7takmk-giving-20180830t194815226z

In another situation, a user posted a DIY on making noodles in minature. The manufacturer's permission to use product images was provided in an image. The CHEATER bot responded with accusations of copy/paste plagerism, because it was triggered by metadata in the image tags. Nine images, nine instances of the tag, thus a copy/paste CRIME that wasn't even visible on the page. This user has been repeatedly targeted over 6 months for copy/pasting blog entries from their own blog domain to their Steemit blog. This user hasn't posted since, last I checked!
https://steemit.com/takosdiary/@takosdiary/en-diy-how-to-make-a-real-and-edible-miniature-mi-goreng#@anyx/re-takosdiary-re-takosdiary-en-diy-how-to-make-a-real-and-edible-miniature-mi-goreng-20180823t042335394z

I think it's understandable that users are more than a little irritated by a bot that accuses them of plagiarism or the OFFENSE of copy/paste CRIME and responds, not with a little advise about using the ">" markdown language tag or including attributions. Instead it announces PLAGIARISM to shame the user.

I take offense that one of the Cheetah pages features a cheetah SMACKING cheater rats with its tail. I also take offense that users who have been blacklisted are made to GROVEL to acquit themselves of CONTINUED HARASSMENT from the Cheetah/Steemcleaners 'quality' policing and to lift the ban on their blog.

Here's a nice fresh example of a user who was banned for plagiarism. It seems the images in the post are what may have triggered the steemcleaners to take action - "Images are hidden due to low rating." There are 30 votes on this post, 28 excluding steemcleaners and blacklist-a.
https://steemit.com/work/@bigbos99/work-for-you-freelancers-8a7df0b83910f#@cheetah/cheetah-re-steemcleanerre-bigbos99-work-for-you-freelancers-8a7df0b83910f-20180916t205414885z

Additional info is left as a comment:
steemcleaner (32)
10 minutes ago
!cheetah ban
User was previously caught for plagiarism multiple of times. User refused to stop plagiarism


I just ran a Google Search on one of the images. Zero matches were in the results. I searched on one sentence and found no match for that either.

Here's another fresh example. This one is a game introduction and invitation to play. The 'plagiarized' text is the official game description from the official Android/iOS/Nintendo Switch Gameplay - PROAPK YouTube channel.
The blog is now blocked!
https://steemit.com/steemhunt/@huzaifa182000/king-of-fighter-king-of-fighter#@steemcleaners/re-huzaifa182000-king-of-fighter-king-of-fighter-20180916t211612481z

There's a comment on this post:
monajam (62)
yesterday
Your hunt has been delisted
I am sorry that I had to delist your hunt because it doesn't adhere to the following posting guidelines:
Plagiarism - PG # 4
The content has been copied from this site.

Please read our posting guidelines and if you have any questions, join our Discord Group.
SteemHunt Moderation Team


You can find more examples here: https://steemworld.org/@steemcleaners

Now, I'm not dropping this comment because I intend to discuss or debate the issues I've raised. I've raised them because no one else here has. Do with it what you will. Ignore it if you like. I've made up my mind, now that I've audited Steemit and can see that the primary down-voting bot owner cashes out $10k a month and is delegated mvests from steem1/2/3 accounts through mrdelegation. If the goal is to return rewards to the Global Reward Pool, because stakeholders find no value in the posts, then that's the goal. So be it. But let the consequences fall where they may and don't whine about the choices made from 'on high'.

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It just free market. "stakeholder" have the right to use there stake as long as they can handle responses from other stakeholders.

The copyright law is pretty BS. It the blockchain-steemit can only block the ip of the user. The user can then use other ui. They can also flag but that what steemcleaners is here for.

A flag is a downvote-so? 🤷‍♂️

Christian community is storn if you want to user sources cite them.

You do know steemhunt is not steemit? They have diff rules.

The reason why you dropped your comment in my post was clearly to try to get some visibility for your grips due to the high reward on the post, it was trending. So let's call it as it is. You said you have no intention to discuss or debate. I'm going to anyway as it's clear your comment was in bad faith and I don't want to leave it just hanging here.

Every account is free to vote as they wish. That includes down voting AKA flagging. No one needs permission to down vote or the blessing of whatever terms and conditions or suggestions Steemit Inc. decide to paste on their website steemit.com .

So we can summarily dismiss the idea that there needs to be a legal basis or even a legal definition made to back up a down vote. @cheetah is not acting in a legal capacity. It is expressing the desire for it's supporters to automatically down vote and shame highly probable copy pasters. They definitely don't always get it right but they're free to do as they wish. By the way, reframing of @cheetah to CHEATER is needlessly childish.

I think that this line of yours in particular shows a core misunderstanding you have:

In this situation, 17 voting Steemians had their votes overruled by one down-voting bot. Show me how this was a 'community' decision and not the unilateral choice of one member.

You also refer to stakeholders (I presume large stakeholders?) as having "dictatorial powers".

The thing is, there is a free vote for every post and comment, literally any account can vote on any post / comment, either up or down. Down votes do not "overrule" up votes. All votes are counted up and put in proportion to all others periodically to determine rewards.

Finally, do you know that I run @sadkitten ? I suspect not as if you did you'd know my position on this.

@ personz
You wrote: The reason why you dropped your comment in my post was clearly to try to get some visibility for your grips due to the high reward on the post, it was trending.

I'm content to delete my comment before your post is rewarded. I'm not here, on Steemit, for rewards or exposure due to your 'trending' post. If you want to respond and keep your response, do it under your posts and tag me. I'll be deleting my comment EOD.

I stand by my statement: In this situation, 17 voting Steemians had their votes overruled by one down-voting bot. Show me how this was a 'community' decision and not the unilateral choice of one member.

Down-votes from steemcleaners do, indeed, over-rule upvotes. The rewards from the 17 up-votes was driven down to zero. It had ~$2.35 in rewards from the 17 up-voters before steemcleaners' down-vote outweighed rewards with a negative $9.30. Did you mean something different, because the evidence is obvious to anyone who looks for it.
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Here's an example of when cheetah/steemcleaners gets it wrong.
https://steempeak.com/news/@amnlive/israelusedrussianplaneforcoverbeforedowningitnearsyriancoast-mod-r2iar8nzd5

Al-Masdar News has a Steemit account and is posting using SteemPress, as is stated right in a footer on the post. They've also listed their source on the post - Ruptly. Look at the comments from the plagiarism and copy/paste police. They seem to be gunning for Al-Masdar. Do you think it is advantageous for the Steemit 'community' to discourage use of Steemit for syndication of articles from established news outlets? Do you think there's a conflict of interest between steemcleaners and SteemPress objectives?

False accusations of plagiarism (see Defamation Law Code here - https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/defamation) against Al-Masdar (or other Steemit users) may have legal consequences for the bot operators and failure to uphold Sections 14 and 15 of the ToS for all users by authorizing these bots, may also become a legal issue for Steemit Inc. Most users will just leave the platform, but a news outlet, like Al-Masdar (@amnlive) just might sue.

I do know your position on this. That's why I'm saying, in essence, suck it up, buttercup and expect more incidents like this one: https://helloacm.com/steem-blockchain-incident-of-negative-vesting-and-witness-node-updated-to-0-19-5/

That account, holding more than 1,000,000,000,000 vests is GONE.

The blockchain is independent of Steemit Inc. and attempting to create a legal vortex will fall pretty flat, Steemit can always just refuse to serve parts of the blockchain if they did orders to do so and that's all that will happen.

No, votes cannot be "overruled". Votes are all counted and then there is a result. You dislike that votes can have a negative weight as well as positive, but that's the system. You're mixing your terminology here obviously to invoke a judge overruling in a courtroom setting, just as you try to manipulate language (CHEATER) and it's pretty transparently disingenuous.

There are lots of users who try to up-speak to a legal level but it has no effect. It's all just nonsense and most can see that.

@personz I can't delete replies because of the child-replies. I'll need your cooperation to delete up the thread, or we can just leave it as is. I've removed my vote on your post already.

In any case it's an illusion, you can't delete the comment, it has been permanently written to the blockchain. "Editing" comments is also actually a further transaction.

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