Hard Fork 21 and The War To End All Wars

in #steem5 years ago (edited)

Not long now. It has become inevitable as the Great Powers make their final preparations and move everything into place. What will be the spark for this powderkeg? Who will fire that first shot and does it really even matter at this point? The question is - Are you ready for the shooting to begin? If you don’t know what I am talking about then you haven’t been paying attention. Probably just like those poor bastards in the Spring of 1914 who had no idea of what was about to be unleashed.

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Of course I am talking about STEEMs Hard Fork 21 and (among other things) the free downvote pool that is about to be instituted. I’ve been here for a couple of years now, long enough to have seen a number of very ugly flag wars. I could name the names, but you either know who I’m talking about or you’re new enough that the names will be meaningless to you anyway. Did we learn nothing from these past conflicts? Our overlords have determined that the gloves are coming off. No longer will you have an economic dis-incentive to flag someone who you don’t like or disagree with. It’s going to be open season and as has been the case in every flag war I’ve seen to date – The biggest stake wins. Is that you? No, I didn’t think so….

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There will be some who will try to monetise their free downvotes, maybe they’ll sell downvotes separately. Maybe there will be downvote trails created. Human behaviour is very predictable like that, but the ones I am more concerned about are the ones who are quietly salivating at the prospect of this change enabling them to let loose and try to enforce their own vision for the platform. Old grudges can finally be settled. Maybe the conflict will be out in the open, or maybe it’ll be more like guerrilla tactics where anonymous accounts shoot from the shadows and victims won’t even know who, or why they have been targeted. They may have no obvious retaliation option. Maybe they will make one up and suspicion will rule the day. We won’t even need Kangaroo courts as we can shoot first and let God the Reward Pool sort them out. Oh, the humanity!

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Ok, so maybe I am being a bit dramatic. It is deliberate. I am genuinely concerned that HF21 may unleash a seriously ugly chapter in this great social experiment that we call STEEM. I have been tempted to write about the HF21 changes for a while, but the topic has been done to death and none of the big players read my blog anyway. This post is more for the minnows. A warning, or maybe even a guide about how to survive what’s coming. There are a few major demographics to keep an eye on.


1. The Vigilantes

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These are the people who have long lamented the use of vote selling services and shitposters who use them to get themselves onto trending. These are the poor fools who have been convinced that the free downvote pool will enable them to right all those wrongs and finally ensure that quality posts and curation rules the platform. (Excuse me while I finish laughing and pick myself up from the floor) These people are the most likely to fire the first shots and target one of the below groups, but they’ll probably make the mistake of using their author accounts so quite likely they will cop the first retaliation strikes too.


2. The Vote Sellers

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Primarily these are the Bid Bot owners, but there are other forms of vote sellers too. These people are the ones who have been getting paid to promote rubbish content into trending. Quite possibly their shitposting customers will be targeted by The Vigilantes and that is likely to affect their bottom line as those customers will not keep buying votes to get nothing. There could actually be conflict between the Vote Sellers but I suspect that they might band together and act more like a cartel to protect their customers (and therefore their profits). They are currently one of the most powerful demographics on the platform so their behaviour will be key to how this all plays out.


3. Community Shitposters

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There are lots of little communities on STEEM who have their own little voting services to support members. Some of them do have some quality control, but many do not as they focus more on member engagement than blog content quality. This demographic is unlikely to be firing the first shots but they are very likely to get caught in the crossfire. Community members may start getting flagged for low quality posts and they will inevitably ask their community for help to counter the flags and/or retaliate. This is the part where it gets ugly for communities as the debate on whether to take up arms collectively is likely to be very divisive within the community and possibly even terminal.


There are other demographics of course as this STEEM ecosystem is quite diverse, but if you’re reading between the lines you’ll realise that I am most concerned about the impact of flag warfare on communities. I personally have no intention of taking part in any collective flag warfare, so don’t ask me.

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I realise that the narrative behind all the Hard Fork 21 changes is quite positive. I concede that there is some consensus among the platforms most powerful, but I am calling bullshit on the narrative. I could take umbrage at other planned changes but this is by far the most potentially damaging. There are some smart technical people behind all this, but if they don’t understand Game Theory and how these changes will REALLY play out then they are the wrong people to be in charge.

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Very interesting analysis. There are so many complexities it’s hard to predict how it will play out. What I worry about is quality content being downvoted because of ideological disagreements.

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My question is: Who is the final authority to determine quality content?

Subjectivity is true to all persons.

Hope we are more tolerant that warmonger and warfreaks.

Let us cross the bridge when we get there.

🤔🤔🤔

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I think it's fair to say that this experiment within the larger Steem experiment could very well go tits up.

However, I'm going to remain positive for the most part and say that I think the Tribes have come at a good time as many of the chip on their shoulder downvoters have been refused access or banished and so there is somewhat of a safe haven in these communities.

Fair point that the value of these tokens isn't that much at present, but STEEM isn't exactly paying many peoples wages, and actually I think the 'low' price could well be a blessing as there could be less uproar over losing a few cents than a dollars a click.

I think many eyes will be on the larger accounts champion these changes, e.g. @trafalgar. Will he start using his stake to manage the rewards of others? And are other whales going to voice their opinion with downvotes towards him? Will @haejin be targeted, and if so, to what level is he going to go to pressure accounts into not removing his pending payouts?

Good point regarding the bots. Their combined stake is huge and could have a real influence on how things play out.

There could actually be conflict between the Vote Sellers but I suspect that they might band together and act more like a cartel to protect their customers (and therefore their profits).

This sounds rather terrible - safeguarding low quality content so that it remains the most visible would have to be considered a failed experiment.

!ENGAGE 100
dramatoken
and might as well get a bag of popcorn while we're at it

Well...if you ask me the trending page shitposters are a bigger issue then Haejin and harder to deal with, which is why people are more likely going to go after him. After the smaller problem.
I just hope the trending page comes into focus eventually.

Ill be flagging "the trending pricks" consistently until it does.

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Potentially they are yes, but the EIP could reduce any profits from the buyers (some may not care) and they could be discouraged without downvotes. Haejin will carry on regardless though, unless those rewards start to take a dent via the actions of others.

Im afraid what bot owners might do.
The guy i mentioned a few posts ago where you commented, a year ago came into the dtube discord and threatened Heimin and Nannal when he thought they would introduce a change that would be slightly detrimental to bot vote buyers. (Cant remember what it was exactly)
Once the bots get those free downvotes all hell could break loose since, as that guy said, the shittier the content the better off bot owners are and im sure there will be those that will try and fight to take the trending back from absolute vote buying domination.

Great comment and I am also excited to see if the community will rise as one strong voice to get people actively curating. I think this would be our (normal Steemians) best interest.
@haejin is powering down and has not a lot of power left and I do not think he would come back for a war.
As an example @trafalgwr that you mentioned as 3x its stake.

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and so there is somewhat of a safe haven in these communities.

I have bought into a few of these tribe tokens, but to do so you need STEEM. They don't pair with anything else, and as you are aware...

BTC goes up - STEEM stays still
BTC goes down - STEEM goes down.

Maybe one day, ALL these tribe tokens will be > than the price of STEEM.

I'm taking to them nicely, and will probably increase my stakes in some.

It was hypothesised a while ago that an SMT could potentially out-value STEEM, and so I assume it could be possible for a SCOT token to do so also.

Steemgeeks is one that I see strong controls present (easier when it's quiet) and a low token count. If schools, colleges, and Uni's latch on there when the next bull / awareness arrives...

Very interesting and I would definitely agree with you. Will there be a war between VoteSeller and active curators ? I think you might be right.
Who is going to win? It will depends on the dapps community I believe, if they back this “regulation” and go with the active curators, voteseller would have to admit their defeat and either improve their way of selecting users or just become active curators themselves (they have enough power to do so).
Let’s see ! Exciting times ahead
What do you think ? @steemmonsters @partiko @actifit @esteemapp @qurator @nextcolony @appics @steempress

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I am looking forward to seeing how this plays out. I think there are some other groups that are going to get involved as well and I am hoping that everyone throws a few on the shit that is out there, as there are plenty of targets.

Some of the whales will play for a while and then it will likely be the bullies picking on whoever they feel like for the fun of it and many smaller Steemians will pick up and leave overwhelmed by low token price and random violence toward what rewards they could accumulate at the lower author rewards also coming in.

The EIP is not going to be healthy IMO but since we have no say that will be listened to, all we can do is wait and see.

This is why I powered down and tuned-out from STEEM a long time ago. It's a B.S. situation where what people are doing amounts to one simple concept (which goes totally against all STEEM ideals): censorship. And, censorship sucks.

Now, don't get me wrong - I'm a complete $#!t-talker. I'm just not going to allow some douchebag with more money the chance to hurt my bottom line. I'd much rather talk a bunch of $#!t, then post a picture of my STACK and say, "Go ahead, give my STACK as many of your 100% downvotes as you possibly can! I'll check back on it each day to see if it gets any lighter." :D Since I only have about 25 Steem Power, I could give a rats @$$ if they vote my account into oblivion - it amounts to a few cents, at best. And, that's not going to make one bit of difference to me. I just love seeing these over-invested wankers completely lose their $#!t once they realize I'm not worth downvoting - but they still can't shut me up, unless they spend a bunch of their time and money to do ZERO damage to me. :D

Well we know what I think about all this....

$204.32 - current highest pending post on the trending page.
1,000,000.000 SP ( simulated )
$ 13.846 vote value at 100%
Sorry the vote sellers win, they and the buyers of votes are not going to loose at all.
10 million SP would put a dent in it at $138.46, leaving the vote buyer with only $65.86.

It will not help what they are hoping it will help.It will only drive more traffic to the vote sellers. They may need to decrease their fee's slightly, but with the 50/50 reward split, they will likely be able to do just that. The vote bots and sellers are the winners in this hard fork, the content creators are the likely losers. But it may work out, it may solve the perceived issues with vote bots, vote selling, and shit posting. I myself do not see it as being a solution, but I do not have a degree in economics, nor do I understand cash/vote economics. I mean the experts in that field would not leave people astray now would they. I am positive it will have no adverse impact what-so-ever on the steem economic ecosystem. We should all want the orcas to be able to make and take as much as they want out of the system. it does after all benefit everyone for them to do well, then they can turn the faucets on and let the wealth re-trickle down to the down trodden.

There will be an adjustment time for the bots, but they will survive.

Trickledown does not work. Proven time and time again. The rest i generally agree with.

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10 million SP would put a dent in it at $138.46, leaving the vote buyer with only $65.86.

That would be a loss of about 70 dollars for the buyer.

Yes but the reality is no post is likely to be down voted by anything even closely resembling 10 million SP. I guess we wait and see, I honestly do not see the down votes working the way they envision of being used primarily to adjust rewards, prevent plagiarism, and low quality (shit) post. The reality I have seen with out the free votes has been to control what is said, to abuse wrong thinkers, to harass individual, to basically be used as an abuse people tool. I do not see that attitude changing just because the down votes are free.

There is no mechanism to down vote the down voter if they only down vote. There is no mechanism to know who is behind what account that does random down voting. Yes is does not matter how much a 25 rep account has SP wise, they are not going to hurt the persons Reputation Level. They are still going to cause strife.

There might be some of that, but if the rest of the community do something useful, the benefits outweigh the disadvantages. Problem is, that most who want things to improve aren't willing to pay the price to improve them.

"it will turn out worse than before, but it might not".

Sounds like your type of math: idiot.

Game theory is key in our recent times. Especially as anarchist.

Greets ✌️

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Sounds like the end of August will be a nice time for a Steemit break.

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