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RE: If you support the animal industry are you indirectly supporting slavery?
I could make some questions to the vegans like
- "Do you know how the vegetals you eat are produced?"
- "Do you know how the land where this big plantations are grow for to produce the vegetals you eat is prepared?"
- "Do you know how many enedemic species, not only from the animal part but also from the forrest are taked away just for to plant all this vegetals you want to eat?"
- "Do you know about the "green revolution""? (guilty of many if not all of this problems)
But people, the majority part of the time, preffer the best solution for them not the correct ones for everybody. I always recall to this video from George Carlin when I think about all this subjects
But you are aware that most of the crop is used to feed the animals we eat, yes? It requires ~12kg of food (and 15,000l of water) to produce 1kg of beef.
I am aware that they use a lot of Soya if this is what do u mean? Do not get me wrong, I am against, in general, the industrialization of both, the agricultural and animal growing ... but I see it as a dopple-moral to fight against one and not the other. Go vegan is not the answer to the problem of the industrialization, at least for me. And it is true also that we (normal people) just care for animals we know, means dog, cat, pigs, cows and the 2 or 3 more... the other ones that we do not have contact in our everyday live we do really not care at all. It si a reality that I have seeing with my own eyes, not just in a news on Internet... so u get. for example, the aborigens figthing for lands in Chile because big companies are cutting all the endemic forrest to make plantations of many kind... mostly wood for paper but you also get agro-food plantations. And with the forrest all the animals living there died or moved away ... this animals also have rights ;) And it is just one example but I understand that if you do not see it with your own eyes it is not the same.
Edit: I am also aware we trow away 50% of the food production every day ... we produce more than we need, or at least it looks like. Maybe this is the problem and not to eat this or that
A lot of it is soy, yes, but not only that. In the US it's mostly grain.
The point is, without meat we'd need much less land for farming. 36% of the calories of plants we grow are used to feed livestock. And 90% of those calories are lost (while threatening the climate through farts).
The more meat is eaten in the country, the more - in the US it's a whopping 65% which is fed to animals! In other numbers, the amount of land that feeds 5 people right now, could feed 16 in a vegetarian usa.
But you can grow your animals by your self at home like we did in Cuba normally, you can also hunt. You do not need to grow animals in a industry scale and is what I advocate for, same for agriculture. The mass production come because of mass comsuption not the other way around. Without mas comsuption the mass production could not exist.
My idea, let the people choose what they want to eat and they should also do it by they self. Maybe they can produce a bit more to give away or exchange for something else of course. But not in an industrial level or then you get what we have now. A criminal industry and monopoly.
Agreed. The scale is the issue, but our consumption habits are responsible for that.
For sure! And it is what I also advocate for changing but not saying to the people that something they do for 1000s years is bad. You should show what the real problem is from my point of view. Maybe then, people will start to understand and will began to buy less meat in the markets (sometimes in Germany in the supermarket the meat part is empty on the weekends, crazy!) as a forst step to a better future .... they also need to put the TVs off. ;)
Those issues are well known and presented in the media once in a while. Cognitive dissonance is a bitch.
Sad but true! :(
12kg of food (and 15,000l of water per day????? Really??? I did not knew that! Honestly this is too much, I should re-think again about it... I knew about the plants and the water in the earth... planst like pine and eucalipthus that take 100, 150 liters of water every day and when you cut this plants for the wood you can not use this earth to plant anything any more til 20-25 years later.
Not per day, per kg of meat we get out of the animal.
Ah ok! I got scare, that were big numbers! :)
They are ;-) A cow gives 300kg of meat and lives ~18 months. If you want to get the number per day per cow, it's ~8000l of water.
Excellent point Pharesim! Hey, hate to go off topic here but just had a quick question regarding the production rate of Steem. Does the production rate still double every 2nd year and on the 3rd year increase by 10 fold?
I just read the Steem blue paper and it seems from reading it that the Steem production may have dramatically declined in Dec. of 2016 so that, as mentioned in the Blue Paper, "The rate that new tokens are generated was set to 9.5% per year starting in December 2016, and decreases at a rate of 0.01% every 250,000 blocks, or about 0.5% per year. The inflation will continue decreasing at this rate until it reaches 0.95%, after a period of approximately 20.5 years." Wow! If this is true it would be a huge change in the production rate. Is the Blue Paper true? tip!
Yes, that was changed. The blue paper is up to date.
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Why?
Because meat eaters don't pay for vegans and vegetarians. But vegans and vegetarians pay big-time for meat eaters. The price of meat is only a fraction of what the real costs are to produce it and pay for the damage done.
The rest of the bill we all get to pay for through taxation (theft). If meat eaters start paying for their weird obsession with corpses themselves I would feel much less inclined to mention the topic.
No offense at all, we are debating! Why should I??? Question can be done in both ways as far as I see, why should be just one way around? What make so special people who do not want to eat something????
As far as I read you are talking about the way meat is produce ... Do you think there is only this industrial way to produce meat int he world? I come from a family of farmers in Cuba so I know other ways ... maybe it is the problem for many people who think like you ... you all think there is just one way, the industralized one ... not offense but all your coment it has nothing to do with eating but producing ...
This is a joke right? You see that you are all the time talking about producction.
But the worlds problems are not only around industry meat all the time, really sorry to say ... the industry of paper, for example, cut a lot of trees just for to produce books and stuf like that, I do not see people complaining for other peoples who read a lot of books or kids in the schools buying notebooks... Do you know how many trees the cut just for that and no one care? You at the end withou knowing it are playing the game no seeing what the real problem is ... Mass Production!
And do not get me wrong .. for me it is the same what you or someone else want to eat. It is your problem what you introduce in your body, you are free to decide. Now if you want to talk about how WE PRODUCE EVERYTHING in some countries like USA, Canada and countries from Europe then maybe we can find a solution to all this problems.
I do not think to eat this or that have to do with it.
I am well aware that industrial meat production is not the only way. Who isn't?
But it exists and it destroys our world like nothing else does at a tremendous cost for everybody. watch this for more information:
Sadly I can not see the video, it is blocked in Germany by Very US Network.
Are you aware that in many part of this world people can NOT CHOOSE what they can eat, they eat what they get the same day, whatever it is and sometime from the trash can... they are not super markets and things like in USA, Canada and some countries in Europe where the majority part of the vegans I know live ... (Not talking about India where cows are sacred or musulmans countries where they do not eat pig)
I am aware of this. I just fail to see how that changes the fact that the meat industry is destroying our earth like no other horrible thing we do and nobody is talking about it...
I can see that there are other problems, though, thank you.
Ps: if you really want to know, you will find a way to watch.
It is not about other problems... and the meat industry is not the only one who is destruying the planet the way u want to put it... you forget so many other industries like wood, paper for example, minery and so on that really destroy the world in a vissible way ... but hey! it is just my personal experience when I was a bit around the world making docu films ... not seeing them in internet ... for example
About the deforestation and the water problems in Chile not because of the "horrible"meat industry but the wood and paper industry ... they mapuches are fighting against it. If you do not understand spanish you can jump to minute 26 and see what happens in reality in those countries when u fight a "real terrible industry" ... btw you can see me there too
Esta Todo bien, amigo. Yo se de la lucha de los mapuche... Pero parece que tu no tienes ni idea cual industria está responsable para el parte más grande de la deforestación del mundo.
Yo no lo sabía hace poco. Cuando ves los números se te van a abrir los ojitos.
Viva la libertad!
Entonces a luchar contra la industria y sus dueños no contra la gente que quiere y tiene todo el derecho del mundo a comer carne o lo que desee ... vuelves a lo mismo, la Producción en Masa es lo que hay que parar pero no solo de carne sino de TODO! :)
... recobrar la soberanía es lo mas importante! Libres somos desde que nacemos aunque nos traten de convencer de lo contrario ;)