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RE: The morgenseiten of Katharsisdrill 28 - news and politics

I read in some Danish papers that he had been slightly misquoted and that he was not there as a delegate for the control organization. It is true though that the system is rather old and could use a modenisation. The Swedes have already begun to see if it can be improved. I read in a Swedish paper that the voting administration had been on a visit to Norway.

The system where you have to take a separate piece of paper is not good in the current political climate, but did probably make it much easier when it was invented. Sweden is very inspired by the US in many things and they have adopted a lot of the political correctness coming out of the US universities. But there is also a cultural inclination towards consensus that you do not see in the other Nordic countries - this is age old and part of the stereotype that the other Nordic countries see the Swedes. The wild discussions in Denmark and Norway is looked down upon, but I have talked to quite a few Swedes lately who have felt that they could not talk about immigration with other Swedes, even though they had a nuanced view of the actual problems Sweden is facing. So going to a table and choosing the Swedeish Democrats ballot might be a bit of a problem for some, and that is of course a problem.

In Denmark and Norway we have better voting booths and we get a very large piece of paper with all the parties and names on. In Sweden it looks like this:


You can take as many ballots with you as you like, but it still isn't a very satisfying system.

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Thanks so much for the background information. In this case the photo of the ballots is literally worth a thousand words. It's strange for me, until 2015 Sweden struck me as such an enlightened and advanced society. I had thought of them as being at the forefront of progress.

Given the extreme social pressure, lockstep media narratives, virtue signaling, etc, I know from my experience in a small town in Germany, such a system would seriously inhibit voting. I'm actually a little stunned by this, and amazed that this is not more widely known.

Again I really appreciate the info!

The things that make Scandinavia look enlightened and modern is, I believe, something very old: pragmatism and the tradition for compromise. Probably has been a historic necessity among common people to stick together when faced with wind and mud and snow.

Danish newspapers wrote about the arcane voting tools in the last election too, but didn't press too hard as Sweden not really is considered a democratic danger zone, but the whole thing looks like something from the fifties or even older. They probably haven't had any problems with the system as most people just voted for the social democrats anyway... until now.

You're right, as long as they had a consensus their system was not in danger. But a nurse, policeman, teacher (anyone working for the state) would no doubt be at risk when picking up a SD ballot.

In their current political environment, this is actually quite shocking, and definitely antidemocratic.

Speaking of Sweden, did you catch that the Dalai Lama was there in Malmo? If a politician in Germany says something like what he said here , he or she will be labeled a xenophobe, racist, or worse.

Speaking at a conference in Sweden's third-largest city of Malmo, home to a large immigrant population, the Dalai Lama -- who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1989 -- said Europe was "morally responsible" for helping "a refugee really facing danger against their life".

"Receive them, help them, educate them... but ultimately they should develop their own country,"...

"I think Europe belongs to the Europeans," he said, adding they should make clear to refugees that "they ultimately should rebuild their own country".
France24

There's a regularity to this kind of dialectics. Trump does not talk to his followers, he talks to the politically correct liberal segment, who in turn answers him. They empower each other while this destructive yin yan turns faster and faster. Left and right has turned into a muddy, totalitarian swamp that hates freedom and tolerance while claiming to defend exactly that.

A shitty time to be a pragmatic moderate.

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