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to me
May 30, 2018, 4:56 PM

I'm Sure youve seen this but first time for me.

I don't see anything offensive in what he presents which are issues that
should be addressed.

How a jury of 12 would see this video (wont be on MSM) defeats me & thus
negates the judges decleration that it was prejudicial to the current
trial & next trial to follow. The fact that TR has been jailed for 13
months/gagging order has made it more likely that it will be viewed by
the jury. Judicial 'own goal' !!

Are there any statements/videos from TR re Catholic & other Christian
abuses or is he fixated on Islam.

Roger Lewis [email protected]
May 30, 2018, 4:56 PM
to MTF

Yes, I watched the whole thing Mike interesting seeing Laison Chabloz comments, I do not think its a contempt of court or breaches the Guidance.

http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.com/2018/05/mi5-mi6-mossad-and-cia-free-speech-and.html

May 30, 2018, 5:01 PM
to me

Just reiterating my last question & canvasing your views ??

Are there any statements/videos from TR re Catholic & other Christian abuses or is he fixated on Islam.

Roger Lewis
May 30, 2018, 5:11 PM
to MTF

As far as I have seen he is fixated on Islam, he is on point with the Rape Gang thing and Wahabbism but conflates all Islam with those two things and has a very particular view of the Quran and Hadith cherry picking all the loony stuff, he isn't exactly an authority of Suffi poetry etc.
He goes on about Mohammad raping 9-year-olds saying Aisha was a child Bride ( she was actually 19 according to Islamic Scholarship, her virginity is stressed vis the succession argument but he is not open to that dialogue it seems. He is very strong for Zionism and much of what he promotes is a Zionist centric view against Islam. Watched this yesterday very good discussion between a Religous Zionist Jew and a Moderate Moslem.

this one was also fascinating a Rasta and a Less moderate Moslem.

I really like the Rasta Philosophy and its not just the Herb.

He would be more authoritative if he would discuss/reveal all abuses from whatever source. As you say his agenda is Zionist driven. Also, your point that he is short on true Islam history.

I have yet to watch the below videos but most religious discussions tend to be 'my religion is fact yours is myth.

Apparently the Quoran was revealed to Mohammed by angel Gabriel over 22 years & he cast all to memory.
Mary told she is to have 'Emanuelle' baby ( Jesus) by angel Gabriel & at the final stages of pregnancy went 110miles by donkey (joseph walking) to give birth in Bethlehem which is where Jesus (real name Yshua) had to be born to be called messiah.
In 1854 the Pope declared Mary 'Immaculate Conception' eg born without original sin. Much later it was pointed out that this made her a goddess & so can't die & so where is she. So in 1950 Pope declared that when her work was completed she was 'Assumed' into heaven. Both events celebrated as a 'Holy Day' (with collection plates at the ready.)

Just a snippet of things......BELIEVABLE ????.....many do !!... Angel Gabriel gets around a lot

On 30/05/2018 4:11 PM, Roger Lewis wrote:
As far as I have seen he is fixated on Islam, he is on point with the Rape Gang thing and Wahabbism but conflates all Islam with those two things and has a very particular view of the Quran and Haddith cherry picking all the loony stuff, he isn't exactly an authority of Suffi poetry etc.
He goes on about Mohammad raping 9-year-olds saying Aisha was a child Bride ( she was actually 19 according to Islamic Scholarship, her virginity is stressed vis the succession argument but he is not open to that dialogue it seems. He is very strong for Zionism and much of what he promotes is a Zionist centric view against Islam. Watched this yesterday very good discussion between a Religous Zionist Jew and a Moderate Moslem.

I really like the Rasta Philosophy and its not just the Herb.

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 5:01 PM, MTF [email protected] wrote:
Just reiterating my last question & canvasing your views ??

Are there any statements/videos from TR re Catholic & other Christian abuses or is he fixated on Islam?

On 30/05/2018 3:56 PM, Roger Lewis wrote:
Yes, I watched the whole thing, Mike, interesting seeing Laison Chabloz comments, I do not think its a contempt of court or breaches the Guidance. http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.com/2018/05/mi5-mi6-mossad-and-cia-free-speech-and.html

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 3:40 PM, MTF [email protected] wrote:

I'm Sure youve seen this but first time for me.

I don't see anything offensive in what he presents which are issues that should be addressed.

How a jury of 12 would see this video (wont be on MSM) defeats me & thus negates the judges decleration that it was prejudicial to the current trial & next trial to follow. The fact that TR has been jailed for 13 months/gagging order has made it more likely that it will be viewed by the jury. Judicial 'own goal' !!

Are there any statements/videos from TR re Catholic & other Christian abuses or is he fixated on Islam.

May 30, 2018, 6:19 PM
to me

Now speed viewed the videos.

It's all about interpretation / different views /dealing with translations etc etc

But let's stand back:

There are 200 current versions of the bible & 10000+ dnominations of Christianity. The RC bible has 73 books / the Protestant 66 books / the EasternOrthodox 83. They can't all be right but each claims to be 'The word of God' The first Bible was created following the Council of Nicea and comprised 73 books selected from 200+ scriptures by 'inspired leaders' of the Church. It can be shown that since that time it has been edited/revised. Of the 13 letters written by Paul scholars say 6 are later forgeries.
The Tora is pretty much the same as the first 5 books of the Old Testament. The Jews maintained the Tora in Hebrew but it has been shown to have had some editing/revision over time.

The Quran has had a similar experience to the Tora.

Seems to me that if there is a 'higher being' then surely that being would make things clear/unequivable/no discussion/no arguement.

It's all man-made & man continues to argue as to which is 'right' & fails to consider the provenance/integrity/history of the book/words they argue about.

Mike the discussions are endless and pointless, The Rasta man says Religion is between each one of us and God if we believe or with whatever nothing if that suits. God is not a physical thing, this made in gods image business is not something which is Orthodox its a later speculation/innovation I found Miamonides Guide for the perplexed very helpful . I would rather have and find love over religion any day of the week, Loving and trying not to do any harm is I think a good way of carrying on God or no God, what could a loving god find wrong in that?
Religion is very effective at the old divide and rule game and I guess that's why Tommy, Alison and sundry other zealots get a big leg up and lots of followers as it were.
It does seem that people talking to each other gets a connection going I have been watching a whole ton of these speakers corner videos and they are a real mixed bag on balance I do think people seem to be realising that they can agree to disagree and respect each others choices if not actually love each other.