This part I liked in particular:
Trajo: "About that. People should be allowed to say anything they want, whenever and wherever they want. I don't like it when they say loving things to one another, but it goes with the territory. It is so much easier to destroy than it is to create. So, when you teach them this - the very thing I hold over them - they don't vent their angry, hate-filled feelings freely to one another. When they don't vent freely, it destroys what I've created. That makes my job much harder when they start thinking they don't need me. They begin to see me as a ...," along with a cut-eye stare at Mike and a Merkel-Raute hand gesture, his voice got soft, "a monster. ... That is not good for business."
That's a common perception that it's easier to destroy than to create. I wonder if it is indeed. ... I guess creation goes hand in hand with destruction. One cannot be judged without the other. And so it goes. The fight evil against good.
In the end, even the psychopath has some desire to be liked and not be seen as a monster, even though he does monstrous things and wants to be respected despite that fact. You show the senseless effort to destroy matter in exchange for what is in the mind. Which cannot be changed, only forced.
Once people see the psychopath, they tend to stop following them. They might go unconsciously look for another psychopath if they didn't learn from that experience though. One big circle.
Interesting, as I am pondering about this concept of psychopathy in my chamber and made a recording about it. Still not sure if I will publish it.
But as for becoming a person with psychopathical potential mighty and get in charge it needs people who like to fall for this form of charme and who want another one to be responsible for what is saying inwardly "yes" in them to tyranny. It interests me, as I think that there is no pure victim and no pure perpetrator as it all goes hand in hand.
It comes down to the vetting process. If we don't know how to vet from those who abuse power from those who can use power responsibly, then the form is more likely to get into power and destroy the light.
I'll dare say that we don't currently live in culture that can distinguish between the light path and the dark path, which is why here in American we have Trump as a president along with the new Supreme court dude, Kavanaugh (and many more example of people who should NOT be in positions of power).
Part of my idea for this dialogue comes from this and the comment I provided down below --> https://steempeak.com/meme/@tristancarax/freedom-of-speech
We who live here in America have a nation full of traumatized people who have yet to deal with their traumatizing past. This makes it really easy for a psychopath to control others. I myself was once a victim of a psychopath. I remember saying to him one day, "I like it when you scream at me." - while on the other hand I asked myself, "Why the fuck do I like this guy screaming at me? I DON'T! like that shit. It feels bad." I moved from one traumatizing environment to a new one without understanding why I liked putting myself in that situation.
Since you having been traumatized and your current you I see a difference. If you talk about a relationship between an adult and a child, I say: If you survived that, the work begins in adulthood.
But to set that clear: Children need to be protected from traumatization.
As we all know (show me one person who was not traumatized during childhood in one way or the other), that does succeed in some cases and in others not.
There is a tendency from the formerly victim that he copies the behavior of the perpetrator but not seeing this. It's coping the strategy to control other peoples behaviors and speeches.
For me, its best to speak from the "I"-perspective. So I am too was traumatized and I realized that I behaved as an adult like those who hurt me. Still do that as well as let it happen when I am not aware. My choice to deal with this occurring tendency is to refrain from projecting evil onto others but see the dark in myself which needs to be accepted and, as a result, to be re-integrated peacefully.
In a way, everyone as a "Trump" in himself, don't you think?
P.S. I read the linked conversation. It's good that you say to distance yourself from hate speech. That's the only thing you can do and hope for as many others who do have the same insight. Which they do. A lot.